OK so we in the USA hear all the time that the Illegal aliens in our country do that jobs that no one wants to. So this got me thinking because I don't know what these jobs are. Anyone here want to fill me in?
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Just ask an able bodied person on welfare who refuses to get a job. They'll tell you what kind of jobs they don't want to do, but could easily get if they wanted to.
Hint: Food Service, Hotel Service, Agricultural (farming) jobs.
Jobs that whiteys consider (beneath) them. If you are from this country, odds are if you are not working but are able to, it's because you have an arrogance about life, and believe everything should be handed to you. Or you should somehow be able to get a job that pays well even though you have a 5th grade education.
Hint: Food Service, Hotel Service, Agricultural (farming) jobs.
Jobs that whiteys consider (beneath) them. If you are from this country, odds are if you are not working but are able to, it's because you have an arrogance about life, and believe everything should be handed to you. Or you should somehow be able to get a job that pays well even though you have a 5th grade education.
Well it isn't that they are jobs Americans can't do- it's that Americans just aren't doing them.
I live & work in the S.E. Floride area, and the majority of undocumented workers I know do the following:
Construction Laborers
Resturant work
House-cleaning services
Landscape Maintenance
Picking fruit (in Florida primarly working in Orange-groves)
Etc.
I live & work in the S.E. Floride area, and the majority of undocumented workers I know do the following:
Construction Laborers
Resturant work
House-cleaning services
Landscape Maintenance
Picking fruit (in Florida primarly working in Orange-groves)
Etc.
I'm sorry, but if someone goes in the bathroom at a movie theatre and takes a shit in the floor....I ain't picking that up.
GOOOOOO MEXICANS!
GOOOOOO MEXICANS!
OK well most of the jobs that erk stated they can't do, because they are owned by major corperations who would get scrutinized if they had undocumented workers working there.
Construction is a well paying job, one of my clients does it as a laborer and makes 65k a year.
Resturant work the only position I can see them doing is dish washing which use to pay 10-15 dollars an hour cause noone wantted to do it, and they're not working at mcd's.
House-cleaning again an other client was making 40k a year doing house cleaning for a NY hotel.
Landscaping is the big one in this area, and that use to be my profession when I got out of high school. I was getting paid 15 dollars an hour to cut grass it was terrific beat the hell out of office work.
Picking fruit, that's probably the only real legit one that I can see.
The shit on the floor, it isn't a mexican it's a high school kid because most movie theatre have to document there employees.
Basically as I see it, all those job aren't that bad - cougar's. they are a decent living for some collage and high school graduates or drop outs. But illegal alliens take those jobs and lower the wages that one could make. Maybe it's just me, but the only ones I really see are Delivery person(not that bad of a job) and landscapers(again not that bad of a job) which are good jobs for the high school dropout
Construction is a well paying job, one of my clients does it as a laborer and makes 65k a year.
Resturant work the only position I can see them doing is dish washing which use to pay 10-15 dollars an hour cause noone wantted to do it, and they're not working at mcd's.
House-cleaning again an other client was making 40k a year doing house cleaning for a NY hotel.
Landscaping is the big one in this area, and that use to be my profession when I got out of high school. I was getting paid 15 dollars an hour to cut grass it was terrific beat the hell out of office work.
Picking fruit, that's probably the only real legit one that I can see.
The shit on the floor, it isn't a mexican it's a high school kid because most movie theatre have to document there employees.
Basically as I see it, all those job aren't that bad - cougar's. they are a decent living for some collage and high school graduates or drop outs. But illegal alliens take those jobs and lower the wages that one could make. Maybe it's just me, but the only ones I really see are Delivery person(not that bad of a job) and landscapers(again not that bad of a job) which are good jobs for the high school dropout
Do you think Mexicans have always done these jobs? The answer is no. It is because of the large influx that they have driven down the wages in these areas by 8-10%, and they don't pay living wages because of it. That's why Americans won't take them.
These companies can take illegals on a day at a time basis. Don't have to worry about paying minimum wage, FICA or any other taxes, and don't have to worry about the workers griping about working conditions. Some companies have even been know to fire or quit using American workers in these jobs to replace them with illegals.
So anyone that says that Americans won't take them needs to STFU and grow a few brain cells.
And Erkut, don't turn this into a welfare flame fest. Do you have any idea of how much in taxes these illegals don't pay because they aren't on payrolls, or how much of the welfare services and medical care are being rendered to these people? Yes, there are plenty of welfare scammers, to that I agree. However, that isn't the majority.
These companies can take illegals on a day at a time basis. Don't have to worry about paying minimum wage, FICA or any other taxes, and don't have to worry about the workers griping about working conditions. Some companies have even been know to fire or quit using American workers in these jobs to replace them with illegals.
So anyone that says that Americans won't take them needs to STFU and grow a few brain cells.
And Erkut, don't turn this into a welfare flame fest. Do you have any idea of how much in taxes these illegals don't pay because they aren't on payrolls, or how much of the welfare services and medical care are being rendered to these people? Yes, there are plenty of welfare scammers, to that I agree. However, that isn't the majority.
Thanks agent That's what I'm getting at, you always see high sociaty latino's saying that illegals take the jobs no one wants. But I come from a if I need a dollar I will do anything to make money. Mow lawns, clean up shit, whatever. So the point of this thread is what are these imagenary jobs that rich people think poor people won't do?
jobs that require alot of manual labor or low income/pay check to pay check jobs- construction, farm work, hot dog stand, etc. lol. you ever see who does alot handy man/repair type jobs? most of them are mexicans. ya know i have nothing against immigration, but everything against illegal immigration because these people are unscreened. some could be criminals or have highly contagious diseases. you get people that illegally cross the border and do some work that deals with the food we eat. last thing you need is contaminated food because the guy packaging it has tuberculosis (this is actually a big problem in Waco, TX). i'd be fine if these people that illegally came across either took actions to become a legal immigrant, or were screened and registered. aren't they going to make some kind of work program for them where they can temporarily come over to work and get paid for it and come back another season? that'd be a great solution.
Yeah but mike most those labor jobs use to pay well an resonable income because noone wants to do it. It's B.S. and my spelling is horrible throughout this whole post I am sorry
LOL,cpt.fass1 wrote:
OK well most of the jobs that erk stated they can't do, because they are owned by major corperations who would get scrutinized if they had undocumented workers working there.
Construction is a well paying job, one of my clients does it as a laborer and makes 65k a year.
Resturant work the only position I can see them doing is dish washing which use to pay 10-15 dollars an hour cause noone wantted to do it, and they're not working at mcd's.
House-cleaning again an other client was making 40k a year doing house cleaning for a NY hotel.
Landscaping is the big one in this area, and that use to be my profession when I got out of high school. I was getting paid 15 dollars an hour to cut grass it was terrific beat the hell out of office work.
Picking fruit, that's probably the only real legit one that I can see.
The shit on the floor, it isn't a mexican it's a high school kid because most movie theatre have to document there employees.
Basically as I see it, all those job aren't that bad - cougar's. they are a decent living for some collage and high school graduates or drop outs. But illegal alliens take those jobs and lower the wages that one could make. Maybe it's just me, but the only ones I really see are Delivery person(not that bad of a job) and landscapers(again not that bad of a job) which are good jobs for the high school dropout
Look I am telling you some of the Jobs they actually do!
(And where I live they are not of Mexican heritage).
And Erkut.hv is right - as I am - Americans simply aren't doing those jobs. They (Americans) don't show up for these jobs - but undocumented immigrants are SHOWING UP for those jobs.
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A population = a sum total of productivity; the greater the population the greater the potential sum.
Immigrants are coming into a bottom-up society (praise the USA, for being that way). There is upward mobility within this society and they are entering at the bottom economic class. They are enriching the American economy and they are making certain aspects work (especially when Americans simply will not do those jobs). The problem is merely a matter of documentation. If they had a SS# they could be taxed - they could be held to a greater standard - thus paying a medical bill (or not paying one) would fall into the same (legal) category as You and I fall.
Let me repeat this:
A population = a sum total of productivity; the greater the population the greater the potential sum.
It is as if we are accepting that they are doing the Jobs Americans won’t do; but actual rights and or status as human beings should not be allowed. Nor should common sense cross our minds that they are here and will continue to be here doing what Americans won’t do.
As for STFU stupidity!
No.
I see it all the time - Americans WON’T do this work. Anybody that comes up with a theory that thinks 8%-10% of 20k is a lot of money - needs to grow a few brain cells (LOL as if there is a major difference in 15-16.5K or 20-22K per year).
It’s simple:
There is a wage X amount (20K or 22K the # doesn’t matter). Americans CAN show up for these jobs at the ASSUMED driven down wage - and take that JOB at that wage (it is still a #) - THEY DON’T (not in mass anyway, as exceptions to a rule/or mass, sure).
P.S. There is a differnce between can't and won't; or can't and aren't; doing. If an American is a harder worker then an immigrant and truly needs/wants that job - he/she will get that job - but that supposed fake-ideal is simply not happening.
Last edited by topal63 (2006-04-28 13:37:51)
I also don't think the illegals realize that eventually they are going to be hurting themselves more than they realize. Basic economics will take over. As supply starts becoming excessive of demand you will find wage wars going on, even among the illegal workers. If you have a guy looking for some day labor and needs 3 guys, but you have 100 of them looking for work, he can offer $5 per hour and get takers, but as they get desperate, some of them will say they'll do it for $4 just to get work.
man by the time i made that post several others had already posted...lol. you made a good point though. i doubt the guys at the top of those types of jobs and companies are willing to pay more to US citizens in order to help against illegal immigration though. have no idea what to do about that. this is just like some of the problems leading up to the US civil war. part of the reasons to prevent slavery from reaching the unsettled territories in the west was due to job competition. economically for a guy with a plantation, slave labor is going to be his preference over paid labor. similar instance here between extremely cheap labor and high paying labor.
I live in St. Petersburg, Florida, and the neighbors next door just started to install a huge patio. I could be wrong, but the guys working on it always speak spanish, and don't look like your average American worker. They look poorer, I mean, it's kind of sad. I'm not racist at all, that's just the way it is.
History would/is prove(ing) you otherwise. . .Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I also don't think the illegals realize that eventually they are going to be hurting themselves more than they realize. Basic economics will take over. As supply starts becoming excessive of demand you will find wage wars going on, even among the illegal workers. If you have a guy looking for some day labor and needs 3 guys, but you have 100 of them looking for work, he can offer $5 per hour and get takers, but as they get desperate, some of them will say they'll do it for $4 just to get work.
As the overall trend is towards a greater prosperity; increases in technology; increases in productivity (due to technology). . .
White trash and welfare recipients that can work but refuse to. Look at homeless people. Bunch of middle aged white dudes who could probably get a job if they tried. With the exception of those wo actually need help, of course.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
And Erkut, don't turn this into a welfare flame fest. Do you have any idea of how much in taxes these illegals don't pay because they aren't on payrolls, or how much of the welfare services and medical care are being rendered to these people? Yes, there are plenty of welfare scammers, to that I agree. However, that isn't the majority.
I never said illegals don't cause problems, the question was merely posed as to why people don't take the jobs.
---Blame laziness and corporate greed.---
shit, I live in a state with a very high hispanic population, and one of the states with the fastest growing hispanic populations. In fact, where I live I am a minority and English is the second language.topal63 wrote:
LOL,cpt.fass1 wrote:
OK well most of the jobs that erk stated they can't do, because they are owned by major corperations who would get scrutinized if they had undocumented workers working there.
Construction is a well paying job, one of my clients does it as a laborer and makes 65k a year.
Resturant work the only position I can see them doing is dish washing which use to pay 10-15 dollars an hour cause noone wantted to do it, and they're not working at mcd's.
House-cleaning again an other client was making 40k a year doing house cleaning for a NY hotel.
Landscaping is the big one in this area, and that use to be my profession when I got out of high school. I was getting paid 15 dollars an hour to cut grass it was terrific beat the hell out of office work.
Picking fruit, that's probably the only real legit one that I can see.
The shit on the floor, it isn't a mexican it's a high school kid because most movie theatre have to document there employees.
Basically as I see it, all those job aren't that bad - cougar's. they are a decent living for some collage and high school graduates or drop outs. But illegal alliens take those jobs and lower the wages that one could make. Maybe it's just me, but the only ones I really see are Delivery person(not that bad of a job) and landscapers(again not that bad of a job) which are good jobs for the high school dropout
Look I am telling you some of the Jobs they actually do!
(And where I live they are not of Mexican heritage).
And Erkut.hv is right - as I am - Americans simply aren't doing those jobs. They (Americans) don't show up for these jobs - but undocumented immigrants are SHOWING UP for those jobs.
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A population = a sum total of productivity; the greater the population the greater the potential sum.
Immigrants are coming into a bottom-up society (praise the USA, for being that way). There is upward mobility within this society and they are entering at the bottom economic class. They are enriching the American economy and they are making certain aspects work (especially when Americans simply will not do those jobs). The problem is merely a matter of documentation. If they had a SS# they could be taxed - they could be held to a greater standard - thus paying a medical bill (or not paying one) would fall into the same (legal) category as You and I fall.
Let me repeat this:
A population = a sum total of productivity; the greater the population the greater the potential sum.
It is as if we are accepting that they are doing the Jobs Americans won’t do; but actual rights and or status as human beings should not be allowed. Nor should common sense cross our minds that they are here and will continue to be here doing what Americans won’t do.
As for STFU stupidity!
No.
I see it all the time - Americans WON’T do this work. Anybody that comes up with a theory that thinks 8%-10% of 20k is a lot of money - needs to grow a few brain cells (LOL as if there is a major difference in 15-16.5K or 20-22K per year).
It’s simple:
There is a wage X amount (20K or 22K the # doesn’t matter). Americans CAN show up for these jobs at the ASSUMED driven down wage - and take that JOB at that wage (it is still a #) - THEY DON’T (not in mass anyway, as exceptions to a rule/or mass, sure).
P.S. There is a differnce between can't and won't; or can't and aren't; doing. If an American is a harder worker then an immigrant and truly needs/wants that job - he/she will get that job - but that supposed fake-ideal is simply not happening.
As for the difference of 8-10%, that is quite a bit. Why don't you ask a few school teachers if they would like an 8-10% increase in their salaries when they haven't had anything for several years. Why don't you ask a few working stiffs if they wouldn't like an 8-10% increase to offset their out of control medical insurance expenses.
As far as "A population = a sum total of productivity; the greater the population the greater the potential sum." I have no freaking clue what you are talking about.
Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2006-04-28 13:47:58)
Many jobs on the lower-end of social status have always paid poorly - very poorly. They have't been an attractive job-choice to a person with any kind of education and will continue to be an unattractive job-choice and pay poorly.Mike_J wrote:
man by the time i made that post several others had already posted...lol. you made a good point though. i doubt the guys at the top of those types of jobs and companies are willing to pay more to US citizens in order to help against illegal immigration though. have no idea what to do about that. this is just like some of the problems leading up to the US civil war. part of the reasons to prevent slavery from reaching the unsettled territories in the west was due to job competition. economically for a guy with a plantation, slave labor is going to be his preference over paid labor. similar instance here between extremely cheap labor and high paying labor.
Good for you - you should be proud of those brain cells.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
As far as "A population = a sum total of productivity; the greater the population the greater the potential sum." I have no freaking clue what you are talking about.
Last edited by topal63 (2006-04-28 13:52:00)
Doctors LMFAOcpt.fass1 wrote:
OK so we in the USA hear all the time that the Illegal aliens in our country do that jobs that no one wants to. So this got me thinking because I don't know what these jobs are. Anyone here want to fill me in?
That has nothing to do with the actual situation; school-teachers WILL not be showing up tomorrow to pick oranges - period.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
As for the difference of 8-10%, that is quite a bit. Why don't you ask a few school teachers if they would like an 8-10% increase in their salaries when they haven't had anything for several years. Why don't you ask a few working stiffs if they wouldn't like an 8-10% increase to offset their out of control medical insurance expenses.
Last edited by topal63 (2006-04-28 13:56:32)
They aren't going to make you rich, but they used to pay more. And there sure are a lot of Americans scraping by on jobs that don't pay much, so obviously there are low paying jobs that Americans do in fact do. To say otherwise would mean that the US citizenry is all lower middle class or better. The jobs that the hispanics are taking is because of the fact that the employers can more easily hide the illegal status of the workers, or the work is more seasonal/sporatic.topal63 wrote:
Many jobs on the lower-end of social status have always paid poorly - very poorly. They have't been an attractive job-choice to a person with any kind of education and will continue to be an unattractive job-choice and pay poorly.Mike_J wrote:
man by the time i made that post several others had already posted...lol. you made a good point though. i doubt the guys at the top of those types of jobs and companies are willing to pay more to US citizens in order to help against illegal immigration though. have no idea what to do about that. this is just like some of the problems leading up to the US civil war. part of the reasons to prevent slavery from reaching the unsettled territories in the west was due to job competition. economically for a guy with a plantation, slave labor is going to be his preference over paid labor. similar instance here between extremely cheap labor and high paying labor.
Without context your comment means nothing. I can make up some meaningless bullshit and pass it off as something that has merit and means something truly special.topal63 wrote:
Good for you - you should be proud of those brain cells.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
As far as "A population = a sum total of productivity; the greater the population the greater the potential sum." I have no freaking clue what you are talking about.
It has nothing to do with the specific job. You said that 8-10% was nothing, and I was merely stating is far more than you think it is to some people. There are plenty of people working jobs for nearly the same wages as immigrants, and many working the same jobs as immigrants, that would be more than happy to see an 8-10 increase.topal63 wrote:
That has nothing to do with the actual situation; school-teachers WILL not be showing up tomorrow to pick oranges - period.
Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. According to the Federation for American Immigration Reform, between 40 and 50 percent of wage loss among low-skilled American workers is due to illegal immigration. In addition, nearly 2 million American workers are displaced in their jobs each year and the cost of providing welfare and assistance to these illegal immigrants is over $15 billion a year.
Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2006-04-28 14:09:13)
What about a living wage? Most Americans are used to a certain lifestyle, whether it be created by TV, friends, or society around them as a whole. A lot of jobs that immigrants (legal and illegal) get are below a living wage. You are telling me you can live on $7 an hour? I live in SoCal where my rent is around $2500 a month for a 3 bedroom townhouse. I sure as hell can't afford it working 40hrs/week at $7/hr. A lot of these immigrants are used to living on much less than that, and are not going to complain when they get a job that pays shit. Most are happy they found work, because where they come from, unemployment is ridiculously high. I think there are numerous problems with our economy, and saying that they take jobs that other Americans won't do is correct to a certain extent. Americans in general are lazy, and combined with our percieved entitlements that we think we have, we don't want to take jobs that pay less. Also, corporations would not be able to exploit American workers the way they can exploit immigrants. So you have immigrants that want any job, as long as they work; You have Americans, who want a certain lifestyle, so they can't take low paying jobs; And you have corporations, who rely on immigrants to increase their profits.
There are no illegal Mexicans in North Dakota, thus there is no resturant industry, Construction, House-cleaning (yeh, americans don't clean their own houses because the work is beneath them), Landscaping, or Agriculture because no Americans will do this work.topal63 wrote:
Well it isn't that they are jobs Americans can't do- it's that Americans just aren't doing them.
I live & work in the S.E. Floride area, and the majority of undocumented workers I know do the following:
Construction Laborers
Resturant work
House-cleaning services
Landscape Maintenance
Picking fruit (in Florida primarly working in Orange-groves)
Etc.
Gee think maybe wages were driven down by illegal mexicans because they can work 4 months in America, then go back to mexico and afford to live comfortably for 2 years.
It's no great mystery, just imagine if the Min. wage in Canada was $38/hr. and all you had to do is pick fruit or wash dishes. Who would move to Montana and work across the border???? or Live in a van or shared apartment for 1/2 a year in Canada and save up money???? Remember, it is tax free, and you get free medical from the hospitals if you get hurt. No jail time if caught. Have a baby and no medical bill, your child gets free education, citizenship (in US and Canada), and in most cases you get welfare benifits for your child on top of what you make.
pretty good deal huh??? especially coming from a country in which you have NO JOB/NO MONEY like in Mexico. Then what does $6-$15 an hour translate into????
Want to really get pissed off, some of the Mexican children grow up with US citizenships(dual citizenships) and collect welfare at a relatives address in the US while they live in Mexico...... Work 6 months in US, lose your job, collect unemployment for 6 month while on vacation in Mexico...... Collect WIC if you have kids...... hey it's all good, right??? If you live on a border town come to an American hospital and have your baby. Your baby gets US citizenship and you go back to Mexico and just ditch the hospital bills (I have relatives in Tecate that pulled this one with all their children).
If we were truely a Compasionate society we would gather up all 10+ Million illegals, give them $100 each, an AK47 with 100 rounds, a map to the capital of Mexico, and a copy of they US constitution to base Mexico's new government on. Then let them all go back across the border (except the ones Air dropped into Cuba), all on the same day.
END OF PROBLEM
Last edited by Major_Spittle (2006-04-28 14:21:05)
+1Major_Spittle wrote:
There are no illegal Mexicans in North Dakota, thus there is no resturant industry, Construction, House-cleaning (yeh, americans don't clean their own houses because the work is beneath them), Landscaping, or Agriculture because no Americans will do this work.topal63 wrote:
Well it isn't that they are jobs Americans can't do- it's that Americans just aren't doing them.
I live & work in the S.E. Floride area, and the majority of undocumented workers I know do the following:
Construction Laborers
Resturant work
House-cleaning services
Landscape Maintenance
Picking fruit (in Florida primarly working in Orange-groves)
Etc.
Gee think maybe wages were driven down by illegal mexicans because they can work 4 months in America, then go back to mexico and afford to live comfortably for 2 years.
It's no great mystery, just imagine if the Min. wage in Canada was $38/hr. and all you had to do is pick fruit or wash dishes. Who would move to Montana and work across the border???? or Live in a van or shared apartment for 1/2 a year in Canada and save up money???? Remember, it is tax free, and you get free medical from the hospitals if you get hurt. No jail time if caught. Have a baby and no medical bill, your child gets free education, citizenship (in US and Canada), and in most cases you get welfare benifits for your child on top of what you make.
pretty good deal huh??? especially coming from a country in which you have NO JOB/NO MONEY like in Mexico. Then what does $6-$15 an hour translate into????
Want to really get pissed off, some of the Mexican children grow up with US citizenships(dual citizenships) and collect welfare at a relatives address in the US while they live in Mexico...... Work 6 months in US, lose your job, collect unemployment for 6 month while on vacation in Mexico...... Collect WIC if you have kids...... hey it's all good, right??? If you live on a border town come to an American hospital and have your baby. Your baby gets US citizenship and you go back to Mexico and just ditch the hospital bills (I have relatives in Tecate that pulled this one with all their children).
If we were truely a Compasionate society we would gather up all 10+ Million illegals, give them $100 each, an AK47 with 100 rounds, a map to the capital of Mexico, and a copy of they US constitution to base Mexico's new government on. Then let them all go back across the border (except the ones Air dropped into Cuba), all on the same day.
END OF PROBLEM
While I get the sarcasm, I've said before that if the illegals coming here spent as much time trying to change things in Mexico as they did with their recent rallies, they wouldn't need to come here; it's just easier that way.
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