I dont get it Flecc? Silent Majority?
was making a joke about the supposed 'silent majority' in the US where most people are conservatives (or liberals depending who is using the excuse) but don't vote - victory then is assured just by getting them to vote!Burwhale wrote:
I dont get it Flecc? Silent Majority?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Terrific, screw the liberals then.Burwhale wrote:
I think John howard still has much influence in the party. He has admitted that he had a lot to do with getting Abbott as leader, and I am sure he had a hand in getting the party to turn against Turnbull. I cant stand abbott or Howard, but I have time for Turnbull.
Paul Keating said that Turnbull had a great deal of talent, but not much judgment ( or something like that) . That seems a fair assessment to me.
Fuck Israel
So how about that Tasmanian election...
haven't they screwed that up. lol
haven't they screwed that up. lol
actually hilariousAussieReaper wrote:
So how about that Tasmanian election...
haven't they screwed that up. lol
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Yeah I thought the libs had it in the bag.Since the greens had the balance, I guess they thought they would align with the party a bit closer to them. But lets face it, Labor did try and get a dirty great pulp mill to open, so maybe they picked wrong.
So is Christine Nixon a fat incompetent who likes food over responsibility or is she the scapegoat for the Black Saturday mess because she's the woman in the room?
Fuck Israel
Scapegoat.Dilbert_X wrote:
So is Christine Nixon a fat incompetent who likes food over responsibility or is she the scapegoat for the Black Saturday mess because she's the woman in the room?
Nothing short of a biblical flood would have had the slightest effect on that fire. And once that became obvious it was far too late.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
She should have stayed at the command centre. But the outcome would have been the same whether she was there nor not.Dilbert_X wrote:
So is Christine Nixon a fat incompetent who likes food over responsibility or is she the scapegoat for the Black Saturday mess because she's the woman in the room?
Like any top level manager, she delegated. The regional commanders were in "on the ground" and in charge. She doesn't know about fires and stuff like that.
I disagree that the Chief Commissioner of Police should be in charge of this type of disaster.
People/press criticise her for not all a State of Emergency; only the Premier can do that.
Ps. On a side note. She should have never been CC of VicPol. She was white-anted out of NSWPol by Peter Ryan for being hopeless. She has made the entry standards to VicPol for women a total joke. She failed to bring in new sidearms for VicPol. She is so hated the VicPol Police Union are still gunning for her.
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I think in Nixon's case she kinda fucked up a bit, but now it's a witch hunt and everyone wants to lay the blame at her door. I guess everyone needs a scapegoat and she's an easy target.
And like BN said, it's the people on the ground who are in control of these situations, all she can do is tell people what to do.
I guess the whole point I'm trying to make is I seriously doubt the outcome would have been any different had she not eaten at all that night and stayed at the command centre, instead of going out for a chicken parmy at the local pub.
And like BN said, it's the people on the ground who are in control of these situations, all she can do is tell people what to do.
I guess the whole point I'm trying to make is I seriously doubt the outcome would have been any different had she not eaten at all that night and stayed at the command centre, instead of going out for a chicken parmy at the local pub.
Pretty much.Jaekus wrote:
I think in Nixon's case she kinda fucked up a bit, but now it's a witch hunt and everyone wants to lay the blame at her door. I guess everyone needs a scapegoat and she's an easy target.
And like BN said, it's the people on the ground who are in control of these situations, all she can do is tell people what to do.
I guess the whole point I'm trying to make is I seriously doubt the outcome would have been any different had she not eaten at all that night and stayed at the command centre, instead of going out for a chicken parmy at the local pub.
Seriously when fires like that get going there's close to SFA that one can do about it.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I have a mate who lives in Melbourne and he said he walked out of work that day at 5pm from aircon and it felt like walking into an oven. 47 degrees is just nuts, there's nothing anyone could do except hope for cooler temps and maybe some rain.
it was an unspeakably dire day in terms of fire conditions. 50 degree temps and 100kmh winds, zero humidity and zero moisture in the vegetation. it really could hardly have been worse.Jaekus wrote:
I have a mate who lives in Melbourne and he said he walked out of work that day at 5pm from aircon and it felt like walking into an oven. 47 degrees is just nuts, there's nothing anyone could do except hope for cooler temps and maybe some rain.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Volcanoes?Spark wrote:
it was an unspeakably dire day in terms of fire conditions. 50 degree temps and 100kmh winds, zero humidity and zero moisture in the vegetation. it really could hardly have been worse.Jaekus wrote:
I have a mate who lives in Melbourne and he said he walked out of work that day at 5pm from aircon and it felt like walking into an oven. 47 degrees is just nuts, there's nothing anyone could do except hope for cooler temps and maybe some rain.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
At least with volcanoes it's a bit cooler, and it's all coming from one particular spot, not coming from every which way.Flecco wrote:
Volcanoes?Spark wrote:
it was an unspeakably dire day in terms of fire conditions. 50 degree temps and 100kmh winds, zero humidity and zero moisture in the vegetation. it really could hardly have been worse.Jaekus wrote:
I have a mate who lives in Melbourne and he said he walked out of work that day at 5pm from aircon and it felt like walking into an oven. 47 degrees is just nuts, there's nothing anyone could do except hope for cooler temps and maybe some rain.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I remember that day vividly. Spent the entire day inside playing NHL09 on my Xbox.Jaekus wrote:
I have a mate who lives in Melbourne and he said he walked out of work that day at 5pm from aircon and it felt like walking into an oven. 47 degrees is just nuts, there's nothing anyone could do except hope for cooler temps and maybe some rain.
The fire crews could not get within 500m of the fires due to the temperatures and the speed as to which it was travelling. The only way you can fight fire from that distance is to "back burn" or wait for the cool change.
you don't backburn in those conditions...BN wrote:
I remember that day vividly. Spent the entire day inside playing NHL09 on my Xbox.Jaekus wrote:
I have a mate who lives in Melbourne and he said he walked out of work that day at 5pm from aircon and it felt like walking into an oven. 47 degrees is just nuts, there's nothing anyone could do except hope for cooler temps and maybe some rain.
The fire crews could not get within 500m of the fires due to the temperatures and the speed as to which it was travelling. The only way you can fight fire from that distance is to "back burn" or wait for the cool change.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
What do we think of the massive federal govt health takeover ? Its a big deal, but remains to be seen if it works.
The health system is in drastic need of an overhaul. That said, the government isn't releasing as much information as I'd like to see.
Unsure. Can't help but think that funding will become even more mis-directed (that federal govt not having as detailed picture of where the spending is needed)... also considering the federal govt has never controlled health before, its impossible to know if they will be able to handle it.... on the other hand, the states are doing a pretty shit job at the moment (well in qld, where i'm from anyway)
oh so he got it?
well.
so he did - except WA lolz.
i think most people think anybody but the states is a good option right now.
well.
so he did - except WA lolz.
i think most people think anybody but the states is a good option right now.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I'd like to know what the agenda is, they take back the GST and then cut healthcare funding?
Plonk shiny new hospitals in marginal seats?
Slip fat healthcare contracts to their buddies?
Here very little good is said about the Fed govt, esp their attention to local micro-issues. Thats the problem with being a backwater (backdry?) I guess.
Plonk shiny new hospitals in marginal seats?
Slip fat healthcare contracts to their buddies?
Here very little good is said about the Fed govt, esp their attention to local micro-issues. Thats the problem with being a backwater (backdry?) I guess.
Fuck Israel
I doubt they'll be pork barreling by plonking shiny new hospitals in marginal seats.
This is part of policy they went into the previous election with. If they mess this up, it's not going to look good for them.
They're going to have to get it right on a huge level.
That said I'm cautiously optimistic.
This is part of policy they went into the previous election with. If they mess this up, it's not going to look good for them.
They're going to have to get it right on a huge level.
That said I'm cautiously optimistic.
take gst and take over hospital funding.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'd like to know what the agenda is, they take back the GST and then cut healthcare funding?
Plonk shiny new hospitals in marginal seats?
Slip fat healthcare contracts to their buddies?
Here very little good is said about the Fed govt, esp their attention to local micro-issues. Thats the problem with being a backwater (backdry?) I guess.
esp their attention to local micro-issues
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman