mcminty
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Spark wrote:

Green light to clean filter. Conroy will try and ram it through.

And then we'll see how much of an expensive, useless and impotent waste of time this thing is.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/techno … utostart=1


*takes a deep breath...*


When I get back from Europe, my fucking internet better still be working...
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6883|NT, like Mick Dundee

Guys, Cheez' avatar is epic.

I stoled it.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6737|Adelaide, South Australia

I did too.
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6656|King Of The Islands

Me too.

Also, posting in here for once.
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS
Westpac chief returns fire on rates

Westpac has again defended its decision to raise mortgage interest rates by nearly double this month's official increase.
That must hurt.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6370|what

So who do you prefer Cheez?

Tory or Liberal?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6656|King Of The Islands

Who in the what now?

I seriously don't follow politics, they're all the same cunts.

Last I heard, Liberals were getting a new guy.
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6883|NT, like Mick Dundee

Cheez wrote:

Who in the what now?

I seriously don't follow politics, they're all the same cunts.

Last I heard, Liberals were getting a new guy.
They did. Pretty much its the same old bullshit in a new wrapper. Keeps things simple.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6440|Brisneyland
Scary stuff coming from the opposition!!!

Tony Abbott preaches all children must read the Bible

Tony Abbott wrote:

"I think everyone should have some familiarity with the great texts that are at the core of our civilisation," Mr Abbott told the Herald Sun.

"That includes, most importantly, the Bible.

"I think it would be impossible to have a good general education without at least some serious familiarity with the Bible and with the teachings of Christianity.
This seems wrong to me. I am not sure I like what Abbott represents. Are you sure we cant get Turnbull back?
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6370|what

Wow, he certainly is appealing to the hard core Liberal base, and nobody else, at the moment.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS
I don't see the point of obsessing over the base in a country with compulsary turnout... who else are they going to vote for? Labor?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6323|eXtreme to the maX
Unless you're living in Palestine/Israel the bible has fuck all to do with the core of your civilisation.
Even if you are it still has fuck all to do with it.

The Libs don't get my vote until they turf out the loonies.
Fuck Israel
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6370|what

Spark wrote:

I don't see the point of obsessing over the base in a country with compulsary turnout... who else are they going to vote for? Labor?
True, and the most likely way to win an election is to win the undecided and middle ground voters. But the Liberals are trying to account for the shocking polling since losing the election.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS
Ring-a-ding-ding, folks, time to get underway again.

Recap: Abbott doesn't like the ETS, instead of a "big tax" market-based mechanism, he suggests a regulatory mechanism instead where everything is done through pure regulation. But he has exactly the same target in terms of emissions cuts, so the only question is what kind of beauracracy would that create (given that the government has to do everything under his scheme instead of the market, common sense tells me "a fuckload") and how much more it would cost (which I don't think anyone has the foggiest clue about to be honest).

Oh, and Turnbull still thinks his ETS was the best idea. The guy certainly sticks to his guns. And he doesn't like Abbott's idea one bit - "fiscal recklessness on a grand scale".

Also, Abbott is attacking Rudd over not moving fast enough to federalize - or at least consider federalizing the healthcare system. Mostly I add this for the benefit for any Americans who might be following this, as an interesting contrast between the different attitudes towards healthcare and government in the two countries. The actual event itself is basically a non-event as far as Aus politics is concerned, just more of the everyday byplay and pretty normal tbh.

I remember something pretty important happened over the water issue a few weeks ago... oh yes, that's right. Abbott promised some HUGE plan regarding the management of the Murray-Darling system, I think it involved federalizing the management of the entire river basin which I must say is an idea that has its merits - but implementing it won't be nearly as easy as he seems to think.

EDIT: Reading that again I think I may have been a little harsh on Abbott's anti-CC policy, as a lot of people seems to think it a fairly reasonable, common-sense and most of all simpler idea. I must say the idea that "right, let's fix this by actually going down and doing the dirty work instead of fucking around with this carbon trading bullshit" is an endearing one.

Last edited by Spark (2010-02-10 02:25:58)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6323|eXtreme to the maX
Is anyone talking about a carbon tax? Seems obvious and simple..

As for Federalising the river, it would just mean Abbotts chums get the water.
Fuck Israel
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS

Dilbert_X wrote:

Is anyone talking about a carbon tax? Seems obvious and simple..

As for Federalising the river, it would just mean Abbotts chums get the water.
I've been saying a carbon tax is the best option for years, so have many economists. The problem is the three letters at the end.

People don't seem to have realised - if it was cheap/easy, it would already have been done.

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From a purely objective point of view, I would love to see the MDB federalized. Stop this bullshit of QLD/NSW hogging/not hogging water, or distribution "issues" and end up with nothing for the lower system.

Last edited by Spark (2010-02-10 02:28:17)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6440|Brisneyland

Spark wrote:

Recap: Abbott doesn't like the ETS, instead of a "big tax" market-based mechanism, he suggests a regulatory mechanism instead where everything is done through pure regulation. But he has exactly the same target in terms of emissions cuts, so the only question is what kind of beauracracy would that create (given that the government has to do everything under his scheme instead of the market, common sense tells me "a fuckload") and how much more it would cost (which I don't think anyone has the foggiest clue about to be honest).
The money has to come from somewhere. Where the ETS sort of funds itself, Abbotts scheme comes from taxpayer money, which of course comes from us. The govt predicted that his scheme would actually result in a 13% increase in CO2 emmisions. Of course they are biased, but I dont think it will be effective, especially in light of abbots real feelings on CC.
As complicated as the ETS sounds, it is a "Cap" and trade. This means that there is a cap placed on emmissions of the biggest polluters. A basic carbon tax, though simpler doesnt have that, therefore a company can produce as much CO2 as they like as long as they can afford to pay.

As for Federalising the Health system, the govt is realising that theres no actual reason that they could do a better job than the states. On an episode of Q and A recently both sides of politics admitted that Federalising Health may actually be a waste of time. Theres no quick fix to this one, at lesat Federalising will remove some costsof the extra level of govt, but by doing so, they are further removed from the hospitals ( in my mind anyway) and therefore decisions may be slower.

Personally I dont think that Abbott has much of a leg to stand on re the Murray. The problem was around when he was in govt, and nothing happened then, not sure why we should believe him now.

Dilbert wrote:

Is anyone talking about a carbon tax? Seems obvious and simple..
The Greens have bought this to the govt as an interim solution till an ETS gets up. Ross Garnaughts report recommended that this should happen, and apparently the govt is looking at it.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6323|eXtreme to the maX

Burwhale wrote:

a company can produce as much CO2 as they like as long as they can afford to pay.
As long as their customers are willing to pay, thats the key.
Fuck Israel
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS
Theres no quick fix to this one, at lesat Federalising will remove some costsof the extra level of govt, but by doing so, they are further removed from the hospitals ( in my mind anyway) and therefore decisions may be slower.
The train of thought here is that "surely there is no possibility that the federal government could be worse than the states". It's that bad.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6440|Brisneyland
True story spark. And there is merit in removing the costs of the state govt. However if the feds cant do it better then it will be a massive waste of money. If they could allocate funding directly to hospitals, and respond to feedback effectivley, then it may be worth it.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6883|NT, like Mick Dundee

I heard a group of hackers calling themselves 'Anonymous' have been attacking Aus govt. sites over the internet filter.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS

Burwhale wrote:

True story spark. And there is merit in removing the costs of the state govt. However if the feds cant do it better then it will be a massive waste of money. If they could allocate funding directly to hospitals, and respond to feedback effectivley, then it may be worth it.
Frankly I don't think anyone believes the states are capable of fixing it themselves. Practical concerns first and foremost.

Flecco wrote:

I heard a group of hackers calling themselves 'Anonymous' have been attacking Aus govt. sites over the internet filter.
Can't say I didn't see that coming
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6323|eXtreme to the maX
Yes, its called a 'Titstorm' apparently.
Fuck Israel
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
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Mm, does anyone have up to date info on the progress of the internet filter? I read a comment in SMH a few days ago (maybe in an article relating to the Anonymous hacking) saying Conroy wanted to introduce the legislation in the next few weeks..
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS
very little has happened, but then again very little could have happened given the whole turnbull-ets hubbub and the fact parliament only returned this week.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman

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