127.0.0.1Miggle wrote:
source?Finray wrote:
Let me do you a graph.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
How did the PS3 and 360 change casual gaming? The casual gamer has always been there, same as the serious gamer. The difference is that more people are playing games period. The older generation that grew up on Intellivision, Atari and NES are the core of the casual gamer population.
http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/33829/kengraph.png
The first video games were casual games. "Serious games" is the niche market, not the other way around - and it's always been that way. The x360 and PS3 made casual gaming more accessible through use of online services. For consoles, hardcore gaming is done LAN. Online service made it easier for the casual gamer.Miggle wrote:
they made local multiplayer a lot rarer and added a generally shit online service.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
How did the PS3 and 360 change casual gaming? The casual gamer has always been there, same as the serious gamer. The difference is that more people are playing games period. The older generation that grew up on Intellivision, Atari and NES are the core of the casual gamer population.Finray wrote:
Ach, I didn't really follow it. Wasn't there up to like 13 on the PS2?
The point I was making is that since the XBox 360/PS3 were released, casual gaming became available - and cheap. Mass market, more buying power, devs turn to pleasing the casual gamer, not someone who actually wants, I dunno, a good game.
'zactlyKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
The first video games were casual games. "Serious games" is the niche market, not the other way around - and it's always been that way. The x360 and PS3 made casual gaming more accessible through use of online services. For consoles, hardcore gaming is done LAN. Online service made it easier for the casual gamer.Miggle wrote:
they made local multiplayer a lot rarer and added a generally shit online service.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
How did the PS3 and 360 change casual gaming? The casual gamer has always been there, same as the serious gamer. The difference is that more people are playing games period. The older generation that grew up on Intellivision, Atari and NES are the core of the casual gamer population.
Not sure where or why this new-found rage at the downfall of "serious gamer/games" has been so prevalent as of late. There have been good games and shitty games since video games were invented. There still are great games that draw a competitive crowd - look at active Warcraft ladders, WOW, Starcraft, etc. Perhaps you guys are holding out for something that isn't going to happen.
Casual game =/= shitty game.
you're going to have to do better than that. Anybody can make a chart.Finray wrote:
127.0.0.1Miggle wrote:
source?
Indeed, a casual game does infact not mean a shitty game.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Casual game =/= shitty game.
That's Finray's argument, not mine. Consoles have been and should be mainly for casual games, yes. To a degree they still are, but as the current generation of consoles have come out, the things that made them good have disappeared and been replaced by mediocre substitutes. That's all on the console end. On the PC end, Devs have been making shooters primarily on the 360, which is one of the least capable machines available, with one of the least capable audiences available. Why does this matter? Because it means that PC games have become largely ported console games.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
The first video games were casual games. "Serious games" is the niche market, not the other way around - and it's always been that way. The x360 and PS3 made casual gaming more accessible through use of online services. For consoles, hardcore gaming is done LAN. Online service made it easier for the casual gamer.Miggle wrote:
they made local multiplayer a lot rarer and added a generally shit online service.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
How did the PS3 and 360 change casual gaming? The casual gamer has always been there, same as the serious gamer. The difference is that more people are playing games period. The older generation that grew up on Intellivision, Atari and NES are the core of the casual gamer population.
Not sure where or why this new-found rage at the downfall of "serious gamer/games" has been so prevalent as of late. There have been good games and shitty games since video games were invented. There still are great games that draw a competitive crowd - look at active Warcraft ladders, WOW, Starcraft, etc. Perhaps you guys are holding out for something that isn't going to happen.
Casual game =/= shitty game.
I agree with this statement. There is nothing wrong with casual, easy gaming, be it singleplayer or multiplayer. But that is for the consoles. PC game quality is heading downhill into the casual region, because developers aren't grasping that they need to make two different games for each different platform.Miggle wrote:
Consoles should still be the platform of cheap, casual, splitscreen games. PCs should still be the platform of Deep singleplayer and Online Multiplayer games. But as it is, they're both just the platform of shit games.
how about they want to make money and not go bankrupt.Finray wrote:
I agree with this statement. There is nothing wrong with casual, easy gaming, be it singleplayer or multiplayer. But that is for the consoles. PC game quality is heading downhill into the casual region, because developers aren't grasping that they need to make two different games for each different platform.Miggle wrote:
Consoles should still be the platform of cheap, casual, splitscreen games. PCs should still be the platform of Deep singleplayer and Online Multiplayer games. But as it is, they're both just the platform of shit games.
Either that or they're just being lazy.
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Tru dat.SamBo wrote:
I heard Final Fantay 8 is a good game
mtb0minime wrote:
Tru dat.SamBo wrote:
I heard Final Fantay 8 is a good game
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Are you not emulating it?Mekstizzle wrote:
I just beat those two monsters, then was back to the guys in the sewers, still no save point, got lost/pissed off especially because sometimes it works when you jump on the water wheel, sometimes it doesn't let you and there's no way to find out for sure. There's alot of annoying stuff in the game that comes from the fact that the backgrounds are the way they are, interaction with the environment is fucking gay. So because of the lack of save points I'll have to just do it all again when I feel like actually doing alot of it.
Lots of stupid shit in this game, can't see myself going all the way through it. Why have a stupid maze in the middle of nowhere and no save point before it, fucking Japs
If you fancy doing all you did again but on an emulated version, you can save whenever.Mekstizzle wrote:
No I'm using a proper PC version. I still haven't played it since that mini rant somewhat directed towards the entire nation of Japan. But I'll pick it up again sometime soon.
PC Consoles > ConsolesLucien wrote:
Once you start using savestates, there is no going back
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indeedFFLink wrote:
Shame we're about 10 years behind on emulation.
