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some day maybe, but for now there are nations that arn't at the same line, example frensh/dutch NO againt EU constitution. and countries that want to join etc etc, like turkey. wont happen anytime soon i think(this EU as 1 country).

Last edited by -=>cSc<=-*RunDje*cT| (2006-04-06 07:50:24)

BobbyD. wrote:

You're right the big goal for the future is one EU nation, but we also will have some trouble to realize this.
For example one problem will be to find a national language for all of us.
Or at the moment we have 7 different monarchies in the EU that you have to bring under one hat.
Or put together the state of vatican with the turkey, and so on...

Don't get me wrong i support the hole EU idea, but i'm also proud to be a german.

That IS the ultimate goal of the Union, but if it ever happens (which will be very difficult), it will be an incredibly complex form of state. Like we have in Belgium, only on a much larger scale. Responsibilities and tasks will be divided between a central European government and regional governments to run the countries (or regions in those countries) themselves. As for the national language? Not going to happen, since we'll never be one nation, but one state. There are so many peoples and cultures on our continent that forming a nation is technically impossible.

The monarchies? Sooner or later those monarchies will have to be reduced to a strictly ceremonial or cultural role. I fear however the whole idea is doomed to fail. Even in Belgium, where essentially only 2 peoples are trying to live together, the system works miserably, since one people fail to have any respect for the other. There is no interest in the common good, something I have also witnessed from some European people here on the forums. I'm convinced that if the comprising peoples and states of Europe can't get over themselves each and every country on our great continent will eventually find itself on the list of Third World countries.

Turkey on itself is a very touchy subject. Turkey is an islamic state and therefore is culturally quite distant from traditionally christian Europe. Although I hold Turkey in much higher respect than any middle-east country, they still have a very long ways to go in terms of social development and human rights preservations. Turkey is simply not ready to be a part of Europe yet.

See what I mean?

Sounds cool doesn't it?   "The United States of Europe"

Is Britain going to join the EU, they don’t want to join since they already have the strongest currency in the world, if they were to join it would make Euro very strong and dollar very weak, which would make U.S. politicians very unhappy.

Sh1fty2k5 wrote:

Sounds cool doesn't it?   "The United States of Europe"

yeah lol

Rosse_modest wrote:

BobbyD. wrote:

You're right the big goal for the future is one EU nation, but we also will have some trouble to realize this.
For example one problem will be to find a national language for all of us.
Or at the moment we have 7 different monarchies in the EU that you have to bring under one hat.
Or put together the state of vatican with the turkey, and so on...

Don't get me wrong i support the hole EU idea, but i'm also proud to be a german.

That IS the ultimate goal of the Union, but if it ever happens (which will be very difficult), it will be an incredibly complex form of state. Like we have in Belgium, only on a much larger scale. Responsibilities and tasks will be divided between a central European government and regional governments to run the countries (or regions in those countries) themselves. As for the national language? Not going to happen, since we'll never be one nation, but one state. There are so many peoples and cultures on our continent that forming a nation is technically impossible.

It wont be that hard to bring Europe together because English is already a world second language, its the one with most use. All the politicians are required to learn English from other countries so they can discuss terms with other countries in English instead of learning that countries language. This is already in progress if you think about it....there is one language all Europe speaks and that’s English...and also each country there starts teaching kids how to speak English from 1st grade as their 2nd language, so all the non speaking English countries are learning English while English people don’t have too.

      Also by the way U.S. and England and some other countries are already implementing Globalization on certain countries to combine like in Europe all the countries into the United States of Europe...Same thing is being done is South America but its little harder there since people are rebelling a lot....In addition I think some countries in Europe will likely enter the Union and sacrifice some things to have a better standard of living...

Last edited by blademaster (2006-04-06 15:59:33)

lol nice point smitty!

I think it will be easy to create a EU state. It should just be an enormous federal state. Each country could be largely independant and have control of domestic affairs. The EU parliment would control the forign policy aspect of the state and the EU central bank would control the financial aspect of the state as it does with the nations in the Eurozone (thats the countrys that use the Euro by the way), by that I mean interest rates etc.

I think the big problem would be representation. Being from a small country I would like to have my voice heard in how things are run. But big nations like Germany have been very generous and fair to my country so im not too worried about it. Im 100% pro-european state!

Cheers.

They don't need one national language, I mean, here in Los Angeles, are we going to print everything in english? NO, in fact, in some areas, everything is printed in mexican

As for the USE (United States of Europe), in france, print things in french, in england, print everything in english, simple.  I do believe that after about 200 years or so, everything will be printed in some language that the USE decides on, after generations of people conforming to and learning that language, but they could just keep the languages how they are (hopefully they will decide on english, because the french word wewe sounds groose, and I always think dodo means no in french! lol lol lol)

Xaritix wrote:

They don't need one national language, I mean, here in Los Angeles, are we going to print everything in english? NO, in fact, in some areas, everything is printed in mexican

dont you mean spanish.

personally, I don't think we are looking at a real nation of europe ( or "united states od Europe" ) any time soon. as exemplified during the public votes on the EU constitution in France and the netherlands, people are just not ready yet for a unified europe on this level.

It will be a while until we have a real european identity, until people have really embraced the european idea.

The EU constitution was an attempt in that direction and it failed miserably. I doubt I will see a unified europe in my lifetime.

-=>cSc<=-*RunDje*cT| wrote:

Our NO vote wasn't 100% no against the constitution, the dutch wern't happy with the path that the EU took so we voted a massive NO.

we were paying to much you know

tell me about it...

Germany is the biggest donor to the EU.

Still, I do believe the failure of the Constitution in the votes in France and the Netherlands was more a result of bad communication from the EU politicians rather than the voters not being satisfied with the contents of the constitution.

But it proves that a lot of people living in the EU have not yet adopted the European Idea and don't have a real european identity as of now.

Just ask yourself the following question: what do you consider yourself to be ? A dutch ? A european ? A world citizen ? what's your true identity ?

We have grown up in  a world consisting of nations that have more or less fixed borders, each with their own separate identity ( you know, cultural vaues, flag, national anthem, etc.. ). It will be difficult to convince all those people to abandon that stuff.

B.Schuss wrote:

-=>cSc<=-*RunDje*cT| wrote:

Our NO vote wasn't 100% no against the constitution, the dutch wern't happy with the path that the EU took so we voted a massive NO.

we were paying to much you know

tell me about it...

Germany is the biggest donor to the EU.

Still, I do believe the failure of the Constitution in the votes in France and the Netherlands was more a result of bad communication from the EU politicians rather than the voters not being satisfied with the contents of the constitution.

But it proves that a lot of people living in the EU have not yet adopted the European Idea and don't have a real european identity as of now.

Just ask yourself the following question: what do you consider yourself to be ? A dutch ? A european ? A world citizen ? what's your true identity ?

We have grown up in  a world consisting of nations that have more or less fixed borders, each with their own separate identity ( you know, cultural vaues, flag, national anthem, etc.. ). It will be difficult to convince all those people to abandon that stuff.

I see myself as a crazy dutchie but yeah The Netherlands is getting 1,000,000,000 back from the EU so they atleast listend

luckily I'm not in the EU so ha ha ha, at all you who have to pay the bills of the former soviet union countries joining  ha ha ha