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I feel that the actions taken by Islamic extremists are no different than extremists  in any other line of thought.  If you want to compare it to christianity, the actions taken by the fundamental muslims are equal to neo-con pro-life activists who blow up Planned Parenthood clinics and kill abortion doctors.  Christianity was the main terror of the world during the Dark Ages, as it was a direct catalyst for corruption and exploitation by rulers for persecution (Crusades, The Inquisition, the brutal repression all over "christendom" (if you didn't practice it, you were subject to extreme persecution)).  Every religion has their own set of bad apples, so to speak...like Phelps and his 'godhatesfags' website and people who go around lynching homosexuals in the mid-west.  They are no different from fundamental Islamic terrorists who are fighting for what they believe in.
This reflects badly on Islam as a whole, especially now in the vastly spreading anti-Arab sentiment in the U.S., but people need to realize that it's only an extremely miniscule percentage of practicing Muslims that fall into the Extremist category, just as a small percentage of christians fall into the Extremist christian category.

A '?' implies a quesion and not a statement.  And I was referring to them 'converting or die' quote but were forced out instead of being 'wiped out' since you put it that way.   To your illusion as to Christianity wiping out native americans 'entire culture' please tell me which settlements were Christian, which were not, and which Christians wiped out which native American tribe.  Thanks for this it will really help refreshing my memory.

Marconius wrote:

I feel that the actions taken by Islamic extremists are no different than extremists  in any other line of thought.  If you want to compare it to christianity, the actions taken by the fundamental muslims are equal to neo-con pro-life activists who blow up Planned Parenthood clinics and kill abortion doctors.

Anybody can claim to be a Christian.  Now, show me where Jesus said to bomb clinics.  And since when have moderate muslims condemned extremist's actions?

Marconius wrote:

Christianity was the main terror of the world during the Dark Ages,

Wrong, catholism was.  Read catholic's doctrine and compare to Christianity.  You will find many differences.  Please DO NOT confuse Christianity with catholism. 

Marconius wrote:

as it was a direct catalyst for corruption and exploitation by rulers for persecution (Crusades, The Inquisition, the brutal repression all over "christendom" (if you didn't practice it, you were subject to extreme persecution)).

Read above.  And the crusades were more to take back the Holy Land than force Christianity with a sword.

Marconius wrote:

Every religion has their own set of bad apples, so to speak...like Phelps and his 'godhatesfags' website and people who go around lynching homosexuals in the mid-west.  They are no different from fundamental Islamic terrorists who are fighting for what they believe in.

Since they can't back their message of God hates America because of fags I would disagree.  The Quran says multiple times throughout that Jews and Christians are a Muslim's enemy and should be killed/not trusted/etc.
I would also say that the phelps are not Christians if you look at their verbiage and actions. 

GAL 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

They possess none of the above.

Marconius wrote:

This reflects badly on Islam as a whole, especially now in the vastly spreading anti-Arab sentiment in the U.S., but people need to realize that it's only an extremely miniscule percentage of practicing Muslims that fall into the Extremist category, just as a small percentage of christians fall into the Extremist christian category.

Yes it does.  What's worse is there is none in the Muslim group condemning this behavior.  To the extremist Christians, read above about fruit.

yee the conquistadores were protestants right

herrr_smity wrote:

yee the conquistadores were protestants right

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

Return your history book.

They are catholic.

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in the case of Islam i think that it depends on the way the mullah ore what ever they are called intrepids the writings.

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

Anybody can claim to be a Christian.  Now, show me where Jesus said to bomb clinics.  And since when have moderate muslims condemned extremist's actions?

And anyone can claim to be a Muslim extremist.  People who claim to be christian and commit extremist actions most likely forget what "christianity" means and tries to stick with the literal interpretations of the OT.

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

Wrong, catholism was.  Read catholic's doctrine and compare to Christianity.  You will find many differences.  Please DO NOT confuse Christianity with catholism.

Catholicism was bred out of christianity, and christianity became the largest sectarian religion in the world.  Other sects committed atrocities as well, such as the underlying religious fervor that fed the political nature of the Witch Trials, and the destruction of the customs and rituals of various tribes around the world by christian missionaries (check out Paul Gaugin).  Catholicism also has nothing to do with christian Reconstructivism, as seen by the followers of the KKK and several other "quiet" establishments that try to hide their reconstructivist roots.  More on christian extremism.

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

Since they can't back their message of God hates America because of fags I would disagree.  The Quran says multiple times throughout that Jews and Christians are a Muslim's enemy and should be killed/not trusted/etc.
I would also say that the phelps are not Christians if you look at their verbiage and actions.

Well, all Phelps would have to do is quote some of the OT, right?  Soddom and Gomorrah?  Sure, that's not what christianity is all about, since that only deals with the NT, but it's from the same book.  Just as the millions of practicing Muslims will stay with what suits them and not go off committing Jihad everywhere, millions of christians will not go out and live their lives as god intended them to in the OT.

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

Marconius wrote:

This reflects badly on Islam as a whole, especially now in the vastly spreading anti-Arab sentiment in the U.S., but people need to realize that it's only an extremely miniscule percentage of practicing Muslims that fall into the Extremist category, just as a small percentage of christians fall into the Extremist christian category.

Yes it does.  What's worse is there is none in the Muslim group condemning this behavior.  To the extremist Christians, read above about fruit.

Well, the extremist christians of today currently hold a lot of media and political power and are generally in high places.  Jerry Fallwell, Ann Coulter, the christian Coalition, and their constant pressuring on the government for reconstructivist actions...all examples of it.  I've heard a lot of moderate Muslisms denounce the behavior of the extremists, but the only voices we hear through the American media are the ones that exist to help stir up the anti-Arab feelings.

Just go read about how Janissaries were recruited. And people wonder why eastern European Christians still hate Muslims...

Marconius wrote:

You're right Spark.  This is only going to become yet another circular debate.

The fact is that there will always be Islamic terrorists.  There will always be terrorists in any line of thought.  Said terrorists will not be viewed as being terrorists by people who support their cause.  Said extremists of any faith will always be completely and utterly outnumbered by the rest of the faith's practitioners, and will act in their own interest to get their messages out no matter what light may be shed on the rest of the followers of the line of thought.

Despite the writings in the Qur'an, the current Muslim population of the world compared to the current Fundamentalist Extremist Muslims is no different than extremists from any other faith or idea.  There is always going to be a lot more to it than faith alone, and in this case, it happens to be a group of people that the CIA spent $30 billion training in the past few decades, and against people that have a much larger agenda against the leaders of America than just the faith-based jihad.  They are now stuck in sectarian violence due to the US trying to enforce it's policies on the more moderate Muslims.  Welcome to Civil War.

Now can we close any more topics on this subject?