BF2S Forums Guantanamo Bay Abuse - Revealed at Last

wrong - you have to be suspected to be a hardcore terrorist to end there - thats not the same in my opinion.

nothing against caging up hardcore terrorists but we all know that US intel loves to make mistakes when it comes to stuff like this...

The poor "opressed" inmates in Guantanamo have it way, way better than prisoners in your average friendly Russian prison. Not to mention a middle-eastern prison... *shudder*

Bear in mind that these only 'alleged' 'abuses'.

According to the 'Al Qaeda Handbook', Muslim terrorists are obliged to claim torture and mistreatment whether it occured or not. Kind of like the boy crying wolf.

http://www.disastercenter.com/terror/Al … LESSON.htm

Lol, I first read your post like this: "a girl letting off". I apologise for thinking, if only for a second, that you were a sick bastard.

Not Entirely Sane wrote:

The U.S. needs to be much more open about what goes on at Guantanamo Bay because only by proving to the rest of the world (especially the Islamic world) that the United States is not evil, can we convince people to try to be more rational and to side with the west instead of radical Islamic terrorists.

That's naive dude.

They hate the US because the US stands for freedom, womens' rights and also because the US will not allow the Muslims to form a global Caliphate. The existence and transparency of institutions such as Guantanamo Bay have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the hatred the Muslims have for American citizens. Don't let them sucker you into thinking so.

If Muslims were so anti-torture, then they would be angry at all the Muslim countries who actually DO torture their Muslim prisoners, and they would express this anger by routinely calling for the death of the people of those countries, burning their embassies, etc, would they not. But they do not. Figure that one out for yourself.

The 'Islamic World' will never, ever side with the West, whatever we do. They see infidels as sub-human and there is nothing we can do to change that perception.

The Muslims burning the embassy’s are the irrational radical ones, the U.S. needs to win the support of the more rational, moderate Muslims so they can keep the radicals in check themselves.

There will always be terrorists we just need to get the more moderate muslims to see the terrorists as the problem and not the U.S., so they will police them.

Last edited by Not Entirely Sane (2006-03-07 15:09:57)

All I have to say is that toutrue is wrong and it's embarrasing to hear my country is practicing it to be honest . I fell really bad for the poor bastards who just got cuaght up in the mix if you will . I just red in the paper today how we released like 150 inmates because they really weren't a threat and didn't have any information at all . Well if that IS the case then it's just plain wrong . Although I do feel things like breaking a person down mentally and limited physical pain such as " stress positions " and sleep deprivation are all fair game . If we keep this up it will just end up hurting us in the end . We can't stoop down to the level of a terrorist .

Jose Padilla, anyone?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1125/dailyUpdate.html
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/fisher.php?articleid=7241
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=16064

Padilla, a US Citizen from Chicago, was detained 3 years ago at O'Hare airport and is still in a Navy brig.  There have been no charges against him, and the Bush administration keeps changing their accusations despite the fact that they have no evidence whatsoever to charge and convict Padilla.  At first they thought he was going to set off a "dirty bomb," then changed that to "attacking the gas lines of apartment buildings," then turned him into an enemy combatant.  His appeals to bring the detention case to the Courts has constantly been denied by the Bush administration. 

His rights as a US citizen have been grossly infringed by throwing him into Gitmo and not producing any hard evidence as to why they did so and as to why he is still there...except for the fact that Bush can declare anyone he wants to "enemy combatants" and hold them against their will.

xanthpi wrote:

Not Entirely Sane wrote:

The Muslims burning the embassy’s are the irrational radical ones, the U.S. needs to win the support of the more rational, moderate Muslims so they can keep the radicals in check themselves.

There will always be terrorists we just need to get the more moderate muslims to see the terrorists as the problem and not the U.S., so they will police them.

How naive is that.

A 'Muslim' who does not hate infidels is not a Muslim. Simple as that.

Read: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld … ;cset=true

AND THANKS TO YOU MR I HATE MUSLIMS
your comment are not helping the war on terror

xanthpi wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

and it comes as a surprise that there are torture in the camp. But remember its not like the inmates there are Innocent. But remember that its not in the best interest in the war on terror to fight fire with fire. it needs to be nipped at the root that is people ho are discontent by the way the us is acting in the world like a sort of world police.
how many new terrorists have created by the the news of torture.

There IS no evidence of torture in the camp. I was being sarcastic, ffs.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you are a moron if you dont believ that there are no camps

herrr_smity wrote:

xanthpi wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

and it comes as a surprise that there are torture in the camp. But remember its not like the inmates there are Innocent. But remember that its not in the best interest in the war on terror to fight fire with fire. it needs to be nipped at the root that is people ho are discontent by the way the us is acting in the world like a sort of world police.
how many new terrorists have created by the the news of torture.

There IS no evidence of torture in the camp. I was being sarcastic, ffs.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you are a moron if you dont believ that there are no camps

Dude is there something wrong with your brain? I said there was no evidence of torture, not there was no evidence of camps.

xanthpi wrote:

Marconius wrote:

Jose Padilla, anyone?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1125/dailyUpdate.html
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/fisher.php?articleid=7241
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=16064

Padilla, a US Citizen from Chicago, was detained 3 years ago at O'Hare airport and is still in a Navy brig.  There have been no charges against him, and the Bush administration keeps changing their accusations despite the fact that they have no evidence whatsoever to charge and convict Padilla.  At first they thought he was going to set off a "dirty bomb," then changed that to "attacking the gas lines of apartment buildings," then turned him into an enemy combatant.  His appeals to bring the detention case to the Courts has constantly been denied by the Bush administration. 

His rights as a US citizen have been grossly infringed by throwing him into Gitmo and not producing any hard evidence as to why they did so and as to why he is still there...except for the fact that Bush can declare anyone he wants to "enemy combatants" and hold them against their will.

Padilla went to a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. Ergo he is an enemy combatant.

There's not enough evidence to prove it.  The fact is a US citizen has been detained with a gross lack of evidence, and is being held indefinitely, or at least until the government can come up with something to charge him with.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/17/padilla.hearing/