BF2S Forums Am I The Only Person Sick Of The Middle East?

Cougar
Talking shit to a soldier?, we are discussing politics and issues here
And now u reveal urself again , looking down at other countries,
And u are suppose to fight for peace... i wonder
I done my time too as an scout observer , in the northern Sweden, -20-43 celsius degrees of cold was
about the chilling conditions we were in..
As a soldier u got all my respect...
But in this world everything is allowed to be questioned, or else we would be sheeps, following every
fool that came around....

Haha PWNT. 

Nice whittsend!

El pistolero7 I'm wondering how old are you?  I'm not trying to sound mean but the way your wrote your "argument" sounded like someone who has had this stuff impressed on them by thier elders...second hand info.

As far as all of our equipment running on oil...well, I can tell not everything.  Alot of stuff runs off natural gas, Nuclear reactors (I was on a Nuke sub), etc, etc.  Also, you can bet the US military would be the last entity to stop using oil if there was no more.  Rest assured if oil stopped pumping all together US military would still run smoothly.

I'm just sick of worldwide intolerance.  'Nuff said.

El pistolero7 wrote:

[]Whittsend

Well,
         U seem very strong headed on to ur opinion, what kind of soldier were u in iraq?
         Seriously if  u defend ur countries politics so much, and specificlly about Iran
         I wont argue with U, U belive in  what u believe...

See, here is the problem with your end of this discussion:  You read things where they were not said, and do not exist.  What US policy, specifically, did I defend in my last post?  I merely relayed some facts for which your opinions painfully fail to account.

El pistolero7 wrote:

And to u about conversations with iraqui ppl , some were friends, and some iranians,
         close friends, so i tell u 1 thing, they live and have lived there more than u have ever made contact with them.... they revealed personnal stuff..  just to let u know...
         And what source is better   than this to get info, to understand them and their hearts desire..
         What did u do? made contact with them with an m16 on ur hand  ?

Iranians?  Of course they would be entirely unbiased.  I mean, it's not like their government has been calling the United States, "The Great Satan" for the past quarter century or anything, is it? 

As far as Iraqis go, here's a story of my interaction with Iraqis.  This is only one (egregious) incident of several that gave me insight on their motivations.  I was an MP in Iraq (I was Infantry in Somalia - Infantry is better), so my job was primarily physical security, patrolling and convoy security.  I was in the lead vehicle in a convoy travelling through Ramadi, and we ran into a traffic jam.  I told my driver to go off road around the jam and see what the cause was.  We got up there, and and saw there had been an accident.  There was a small car with the side entirely crushed in, and the remnants of blue paint where it had been crushed..  Next to it, there was a large Blue 10 wheel truck.  I was informed by the victim that he had been hit by an American truck and he demanded compensation.  Given the evidence, what would you take away from that?  From the insipid comments you have made in this discussion it sounds like you would say that Iraqis are warm and generous people.  Pardon me if I don't share that assessment. 

During my first six months in the country I was regularly in contact with Iraqis.  The greeting I got from most Iraqis was not "Salaam Alakim," or "Hello," or "Good day."  It was "Give me money."  Again, I ask, how would this shape your perceptions?

         

El pistolero7 wrote:

And Iraq, like i said, i´m a woods ,nature person,,  I  like desert ,.and new enviroments, too me
         all that is  Gods creation..
         but for u it was a hell hole , for sure , visiting the country with an uniform...

You aren't very bright, are you?  How would the fact that I was wearing a uniform change the physical environment I detailed in my previous post?  If you are a nature person, I strongly urge you to go to Iraq and spend some time communing with nature there.  I hear it's nice in July.

       

El pistolero7 wrote:

U get to know the fool by the act,  so be my guess  and invade Iran,  The lord have mercy on U and ur followers.....

I don't have any followers, as I do not present myself as a divinity or the representative of one.  You on the other hand, with all of your knowledge of the Lord's opinions, seem to be in constant communication with God.  I think I have seen some of your peers in Central Park.  You should talk to them, I'm sure you would have some wonderful discussions.

In any case, consider this:  If the US, UK, France, Russia and PRC AGREE on a course of action re: Iran, one might suspect that they consider Iran to be a legitimate threat.  But what do I know; I don't get to talk to God about it like you do.

         

El pistolero7 wrote:

Words are cheap , its the action thats counts....
         And the best action for Us its to go home, and reunite with their families...

And you base this opinion on what information?  You say these things, yet you offer no facts to back them up.  PLEASE tell me you are in posession of SOME small bit of factual information on the subjects you keep talking about!

El pistolero7 wrote:

I understand u hold high regard for ur brothers in arms.. and from experience i know
          that the brotherhood can be strong in the military life... maybe u are from a military family?

I hold them in the HIGHEST regard actually, and I doubt anything in your experience would give you any insight on what I know on the subject.

         

El pistolero7 wrote:

If u want intervention  u should stand for ur words , and be the  the first man on the front

Did I say I WANT intervention?  Actually, to be fair, I implied it...but that is only because I regard Iran to be a true threat on a scale far worst than Iraq ever was.  I do not support military action lightly, because I do not consider the lives of my brothers lightly.

In any case. I have been in the army for 12 years and already seen combat in Somalia (A co., 2-14 IN, 10th MTN - experience included, but was not limited to, action in Mogadishu on 3 OCT 1993), and 16 months in Iraq (April '03 - Aug '04 - Al Anbar Province, including time in Fallujah and Ramadi).  You imply that I don't have the stomach for combat, but I believe my record speaks for itself.  Would you care to share yours?
       

El pistolero7 wrote:

There can be 100 0000 ppl doing the  right thing, and 1 guy believing the opposite
         And it turns out to be that  the 1 guy, was right
         WHo do u think God was with ?

         God does not like what US is doing , neither he is with the fanatic terrorists....

One would hope that the one guy would be in posession of some FACTS on the subject.  Ask God for some.

pwned again...

Isn't this a big angry post.

What you hear about just boils down to what the media tells you and what the media tells you boils down to what will get them ratings and they get ratings by showing you stuff that the general public is interested in. If you are sick of hearing about the middle east then don't watch the news on tv or listen to it on the radio. Otherwise you will just have to live with it.

MR
Whiitsend:
                 I see u look down , on peers and godfearing ppl,and i dont blame U .Being in the military over 12 years like U, it transforms U, U seem proud in all you done. Generally miltary ppl dont like weakness
and weak ppl...they despice them.. ..and theres their fault.. they dont understand any other way,
they live by the "eye for an eye","tooth for tooth" They disolve problems by the sword. Blinded.
              U are ordered and u followed orders , U are ready too kill  for a "guy or guys" who lacks contact with reality,without questioning .A guy who works behind their desk , and probably never fired a single shot, neither killed any 1. Whos the most stupid?  "The fool" or he who follows the "Fool"
                  All that comes out from ur mouth is earthly, Limited.  I dont rely on facts ,especially facts and suspicious info that comes from the human tongue. I rely my info from the heavens, the Holy Ghost ,God...
                 This is maybe difficult for you to understand . Being in the Military or having been in the military.
       
                 U seem to need facts all the time  to understand  ur perspective...and defending ur hearts believe.
                 U rely on others ppls report and info ,I hardly believe u r a reporter .,Where do u get ur information from? newsweek, Gi Joe week report,
                 UN monthly report? TV news?
                 If ur facts are correct, wich they probably are.....It doesnt changes anything.
                 UN is unfortunatly corrupted , When Us was attacked , Un did nothing in stopping Us from their plans, UN told Us not to attack, but they did it anyway ,ignoring UNations...and what did UN do "nothing"...
US MAIn official  reason to attack Iraq was to Stop Iraqs Atomic programs and the "Evil dictator". Why didnt they stop the "dictator" in the first Gulf War?
UN then sends ppl  to check Iraq ,to ensure they haved atomic bomb facilities,but they found "nothing" suspicious, except some few investigators who claimed Iraq "was" producing Atomic bombs. "LYing?"
With this facts US invades.
Im a Swedish resident , and the chief of all of the atomic investigators send to Iraq by UN, was a Swedish Guy
This professor was later interviewed in swedish TV on a exclusive respected program, and he revealed his truth ,after a book he wrote,
that there was no real evidence What so ever that Iraq was making atomic bombs.
But ,Why bother, Babylon has a mind of its own, they invaded.
Another Fact : UN did nothing in somalia as with US, too late in Jugoslavia ,  and worst in Rwanda,they bailed out.
1000000 ppl slaughtered themselves in a civil war ,UN didnt lift a finger.they intervened too late, neither did the Belgian government.
So i dont give too much what the security council or US government says.....or some TV news networks.
They´ve "lied" before...
What i see "here" is a Clash between two strong believes "the earthly ,limited way "satan" and the heavenly  unlimited way "God"
But i understand u want to prove me wrong in this issue ,because if im right , all that u believe in ur mind and heart will fall like domino bricks . Then u will  have too question urself, and all u done in "military".But i see we agree on some things, and thats only positive.
U should take example in the Great American Muslim "Muhammad Ali" and his words:
Why should i travel thousands of miles to go and kill Poor innocent ppl in vietnam for a government that doesnt give a damn to my ppl.I rather be facing a Machine gun then betraying ALLAH and his word.
And U know his been around .....here u got a guy, facing the hole establishment for his believes
and knowing he did not believe what was put in front of him by the govertment, And they punish him......
Well enough said:...
"So says the Lord" :, cursed the man who puts his faith on humans and trust on human power and faces
away from the Lord
He becomes like a  "Bush in the desert" and will never see the "good" coming.
He shall "live" in" burned" areas" , saltgrounds, "where nobody can live"
Blessed the man who puts his trust on the Lord and holehearty trust on him
He becomes a tree planted near water, it streches its roots towards the stream
It has nothing to fear from the heat, the leaves are always green
It doesnt get anxious on dry times, never ceases to give fruit...

10. Osama Bin Laden made a video tape.  Let me guess....he said he was going to attack the US soon.  Yeah, we know, he said that in the last 10 tapes he made.  Shut the fuck up and do something or stop making these shitty video tapes with your old ass 1989 Canon Video Recorder.  You can carry around a dialysis machine but not a camera that’s worth a shit?  No wonder you live in a cave.

Talking smack to Osama on an internet forum.. You're our hero!
And unfortunately continuing a tragic trend in the world.. Americans turning everything into a mindless "talking shit" session.. Way to go heightening the level of conversation.

9. Syria says they didn't do it.  Bullshit, yes you did.  Hariff threatened your government and made you lose ground physically and politically.  Syria is known for being a major contributor of terrorists in Iraq, imposing them selves on Lebanon, as well as being on of the tag team nations that got the bright idea to attack Israel and get their ass kicked, and to top it all off....the Syrian president meets with that Iranian jackass of a president at the HEIGHT of his international deboggle.  But Syria wonders...."Why does everyone think we did it?"

You think they would admit it openly? Maybe they aren't that stupid afterall..

8. "BRUTAL FIGHTING IN AFGHANISTAN!!"  No, there isn't.  Maybe every now and then, but 90% of the time it's some Afghani equivalent of a redneck sitting on a big hill and lobbing about a dozen mortars onto a base.  Then he runs away and gets wasted by either a) Convoy of Security Police. b) Fast response choppers, or c) the base just flat out opens up on his hillside and turns his body into mincemeat.  These un-organized amateurs are just plain stupid and useless.  I've been there, I've seen this, and I have friends there now.  It's pathetic.

Perhaps the problem is more your media than anything else?
Maybe if they did some actually useful reporting on the sorry-ass state of your own country you wouldn't be annoyed at people who believe they're defending their homes against a hostile imperialistic army. Yes that means you.

7.  "Terrorists take another hostage".  How fucking stupid are these people?  Ok, let’s say you want something, whats the best way to get it?  I know!!  Lets kidnap an unarmed undefended female American journalist who has no power or political pull and we will demand the release of 15 terrorists or we will behead her!!!  DUMBASSES!!!  NO WONDER YOU LIVE IN THE DESERT!!!

Desperate acts of desperate people. Maybe if you idiots stayed at home instead of starting an illegal, offensive war against a 3rd world country based on lies and deceit it wouldn't have come to this.
Oh and way to go sidelining the UN, arguably modern civilisation's greatest achievement..

6. Stampedes.  I recall from memory at least 4 stampedes in the Middle East last year.  Are you people to ignorant to possibly spread out a little bit?  Maybe even go to these places at different times or take a different way there?  Also, if someone yells "BOMB", don't run, you’re already dead.  I heard the stampede at the Mecca pilgrimage was caused because some tripped over some misplaced luggage.   ......*sigh*

Mass congregation is not unique to the middle east buddy.. Similar accidents have happened in south east asia, the US and europe before.

5. Everything is always worse in the Middle East.  Anyone here about the ferry that sank with 1300 people on it?  WTF kind of ferry is that?  That’s almost the same as the Titanic sinking and all this is,...is a fucking ferry!!  Their worse than Mexicans!  If you wreck into a van on a Texas interstate you may accidentally kill 8 illegal immigrants, crash into a van in the Middle East and your either going to explode or kill at least 30 of them.

Wtf are you stupid? Accidents like these ALSO happen outside of the middle east. A few years back a ferry sank on its way from Sweden to Estonia if my memory serves correctly.
Sit down and shut up.

4. Suicide Bombers.  Dumbest...idea....ever.  Kill 2 Americans and 27 Iraqis.  Those are great odds.  You fucking people.

I'll give you this one.. Bad idea but thenagain their "bible" says it's a good thing so I can see where their incentive comes from..
Most of the time it's parents or cynical recruiters that send their, often dimwitted, children/recruits to die.
So the smart ones are actually not so stupid as to do it themselves..
And it's not like all of them do it so "You fucking people" is a moronic generalization.
Kinda like saying "All americans are warcriminals" when only a few hundred thousand of you actually are..

3.  "Our religion is better than your religion."  I'm getting real sick of that shit.  Every time you hear from anyone in the middle east of importance it's the same old shit "America is the infidel, Mohammed this Allah that, Allah supports us and not you blah blah blah"  Take you radical religious bullshit and cram it up your asses!!  Where was Allah when two of your "radical regimes" were toppled in under a year?  I guess it is Allah who forces you to hide in caves and hide your faces under turbans when you have innocent journalists and contractors trying to rebuild your shitty joke of a country, held hostage in a basement.  You are cowards.  If they want to bring the religion thing into all the time, FINE!  My religion just kicked the shit out of your religion.

Maybe if you had any idea of what your government has been upto these past few decades you wouldn't post such a stupid and racist comment..
You're the ones who are f'ing with them and you wonder why they call you infidels? I don't.. and neither does the rest of the western world..
Get a f'ing clue or shut up.

2.  Iran.  Enough said.  Keep being a radical extremist jackass and see what happens.  Iran as opposed to Iraq actually has the support of the UN and EU as far as the ass whippin he is steering his people towards.  Keep it up, I might just have to re-enlist so I can can come over and stick my size 14 Cochran Marauder up your ass.

Again with the talking smack.. How old were you again?
Again.. If you had any clue as to why things are as they are in Iran, maybe you would refrain from exposing yourself as a complete smacktard.
Your government created the present Irani form of government buddy.. "how?" you ask? READ A BOOK ONCE IN AWHILE!

1. Middle Eastern people in general.  You people demand the respect of the world yet you burn flags and kill people over a FUCKING CARTOON!!!  GET OVER IT!!  You elect a terrorist party to government in Palestine and then ask for aid?  Shut up.  You bomb your own civilians and murder innocent people in the name of your Holy War?  Idiots!  Stampedes, bombings, riots, endless protests over nothing, terrorist breeding and harboring, drug markets, etc etc etc YOU PEOPLE SUCK!  I couldn't imagine why ohh WHY anyone nation would want to go to war with you people.  Maybe because we're SICK OF YOU!

Again.. Going to war because you're sick of someone? WTF? You must be quite singly the stupidest specimen on the northern hemisphere!
Sit down and shut up if you can't keep up with how GROWNUPS ought to behave!

In closing of my rant and wonderful venting section I would just like to summarize.

People of the Middle East, your radical religious beliefs, your ignorant politics, your lack of discipline and moral, social and common sense and frankly, just you in general ALL SUCK.  You don't deserve to breath.

Coug Out.

Do us all a favour and get off the internet! NOW! Kthnxbye

Marconius wrote:

Once again, I'm just going to post this:

The people who signed the PNAC report and the statement regarding what the PNAC is all about.

The People's New American Century (PNAC) Report

I know no one is probably going to read it, but if you do, 9/11 being an inside job only becomes more and more plausible.  This is a report that the people within the Bush Administration wrote during the Bush Sr. administration detailing out what they want to do with the world once they have a president in power.  Obviously, Clinton being elected dashed everything they wanted to do, so they moved on and pushed it all into GWB's agenda.  And yes, a lot of things out of the report have been enacted, mainly dealing with Civil Liberties and the Middle East, and a chilling passage straight from it:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor."
~Page 51 of the PNAC report

That and a slough of facts that came out of ground zero that were just really odd...but I guess this isn't the place to talk about them since I'll just get shot down as yet another conspiracy theorist...

Marconius, please stop citing the PNAC report for everything you talk about. Man, everytime you post something about 9/11, the War in Iraq, or President Bush, all I ever see is "The PNAC report said..." or "read page 51 - the proof is right there!" Big deal, who cares what it says? I read a lot about politics and I had never even heard about it until I starting reading these forums.

And if you really believe that America is as bad as you say it is, that the government is "in cahoots with bin Ladin," and that 9/11 was staged by the government, I'd suggest relocating to another country. Maybe to a country like Palestine? Then you could learn what it would really be like to be in a country that was "in cahoots with bin Laden."

El pistolero7 wrote:

[u GOT THAT quite right hellboy, There are individuals who give religion a bad reputation, and use it to their own benefit. I know muslims too and they are better ppl than some christians an ateists that i met.
How many muslims are forced into their army to fight Us , and are really nice guys, but they brainwash them
just like Gi Joes.
This equation i´m solving,    and the leaders are responsible.  Us,Colombia, israel, palestina etc...

seems to me this is just what you were doing...

Marconius wrote:

=DBD=TITAN126 wrote:

Marconius wrote:

Once again, I'm just going to post this:

[url=http://newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm]The people who signed the PNAC report and the statement regarding what the PNAC is all about.[/url]

[url=http://raytal.com/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf]The People's New American Century (PNAC) Report[/url]

I know no one is probably going to read it, but if you do, 9/11 being an inside job only becomes more and more plausible.  This is a report that the people within the Bush Administration wrote during the Bush Sr. administration detailing out what they want to do with the world once they have a president in power.  Obviously, Clinton being elected dashed everything they wanted to do, so they moved on and pushed it all into GWB's agenda.  And yes, a lot of things out of the report have been enacted, mainly dealing with Civil Liberties and the Middle East, and a chilling passage straight from it:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor."
~Page 51 of the PNAC report

That and a slough of facts that came out of ground zero that were just really odd...but I guess this isn't the place to talk about them since I'll just get shot down as yet another conspiracy theorist...

Marconius, please stop citing the PNAC report for everything you talk about. Man, everytime you post something about 9/11, the War in Iraq, or President Bush, all I ever see is "The PNAC report said..." or "read page 51 - the proof is right there!" Big deal, who cares what it says? I read a lot about politics and I had never even heard about it until I starting reading these forums.

And if you really believe that America is as bad as you say it is, that the government is "in cahoots with bin Ladin," and that 9/11 was staged by the government, I'd suggest relocating to another country. Maybe to a country like Palestine? Then you could learn what it would really be like to be in a country that was "in cahoots with bin Laden."

And THIS is exactly what gets spat back at me anytime people fail to take the time off of their ingrained agendas to read it.  You could have at least been so kind to read through it before making an uneducated (read: you didn't read it) rant about it.
The whole cliché "Well...well...if you don't like it here, go move somewhere else!!!!" argument is tiring.  Try something else.
I have every right to be here and think the way I do just as you have the right to tell me I'm wrong.  If you can't tolerate that, well then, too bad, I could care less.  I can back my beliefs and opinions up, and am willing to compromise if someone brings up information that proves me otherwise.  I don't just go around telling people "Get the hell outta my country!" if I don't agree with them...

If you truly read a lot about politics, you should know about this group, or else you don't really research the Right side of things enough.  They may seem like another fringe politics group, but the whole idea here is that they are now in Power.  Bush's administrators Wrote the damned thing, and everything so far that they have been pushing and getting away with is written in the report, so I will keep citing it.

TITAN isnt trying to say that you should leave because you disagree with him, but that you should move because you are so suspicious of your own country that, frankly, you dont really deserve the benefits of living in the greatest nation on earth.