BF2S Forums Bush caught in a direct lie about Katrina

We should not be in Iraq, I could care less how much better it's making these peoples lives. Every day we're over there is more of my money being spent in a country that I could give a shit less about.  More money that my children and their children will be paying for, and for all the soldiers that are going to flame me for this I'm thinking about your future. You might be getting paid to do your job now but I'm pretty sure your not going to be in the army forever, and ever day your there get's you closer to a job in McD's or wallmart for 6 dollars an hour. It's time to bring you home to your family and rebuilding our once great econimy, Not continue sinking money into a war that nobody should really care if we win.

The contrast between Bill Clinton and Bush with the lying is two totally seperate things, Clinton got a BJ who cares it doesn't effect our country at all. The rest of the world got a good laugh at us that we cared so much about it so much. Bush lies about everything in our country from being prepared to the job market, now one here but the middle class gets effected by this(that's y it's slowly dissapearing). Now they missplaced 160 millions(I think going off of memory here) with there cards giving them out to dead people all over the place.  Now I'm not a rocket scientist or anything but I could tell you right off the bat, the poor people that were effected by this are pron to stealing. Now not only are the american people out the money paying for Browns salery we're out alot more.

WE GAVE POOR PEOPLE 2000 dollar cards that could be spent anywhere? and then said whoops they spent it and gambled it away. They should have been food stamp cards don't give a person I already know is a fool money to remove all doubt.

Now Bush did lie it's proven and documented numerious times, why are the "Republicans" fighting this. It's not a flaming him for doing a bad job with Katrina, which everyone said wasn't his fault. It's a he lied here's proof, Clinton got impeached for lieing about a blowjob and our country was doing great when he was in office. There where higher paying jobs and alot more of them.

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Marconius wrote:

We liberals want change and tolerance, a more focused/stronger government that's also transparent, and a sharper eye to make sure Civil Liberties aren't infringed in the country.

You tolerate a white Christian male first and i'll back you 100% on tolerance.  You intolerance of us infringes my civil liberties.  You might need your eyes checked.

Marconius wrote:

It's not a matter of fault.  As capt.Fass said two posts above, he lied.  Plain and simple.  They are trying to cover up that fact by posting all the reports about the top-level confusion.

And I DO tolerate white christian males.  Show me a white christian male that doesn't support religious infringement on public property and wants to keep Church and State forever separate, plus has no 'holier than thou' attitude and we'll have a deal.

Again, subjective.  If I tell you I will wear my favorite white shirt tomorrow only to go home and find it dirty and have to wear my favorite blue shirt did I lie to you?

So, for you to tolerate a white Christian male they must adhere to certain rules for that to happen?  And you call that tolerance? Why then can't I say, "I'll tolerate homos if they never have a parade, never show their affection in public, and never tell anybody they're gay?  When this is done I tolerate them."  Tolerance has no conditions... you either tolerate them or you don't.

Marconius, wake up!  You've been lied to and it wasn't Bush.

Wannabe about the shirt, yes you did lie to me. Now say if we where playing Basketball and we where going to be the white shirts we'd be shit out of luck.

and I tolerate everyone, white christians and homo's. I don't give a flying f what anyone does as long as it doesn't effect me. The reason why the christians are on the chopping block is because of intellagent design, now it's your belif(spl) but some christians are forcing it into our schools and making our children dumber. This is a problem for it stops progress, now I'm not sure where we come from and I don't really care. But if making improvements in science comes from Evolution then evolution is more of a useful tool then Intellegent design.

I guess the fact that the Governor of Louisiana reported that the levees were in tact well after they had broken and Jeff Smith, Louisiana's emergency preparedness deputy director, stated "the coordination and support we are getting from FEMA has just been outstanding" must just be lies as well. Link

I'm not saying Bush is great, but this was a failure at many levels. The biggest failures however were at the local and state level. All those school busses left to be damaged in the flooding instead of used to evacuate people, no workable evacuation plan, etc.


Hell, we've been paying for many of these people to live rent-free on cruise ships with additional monetary assistance as well for how many months now? And they still want a free ride!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI& … q=l&c=

It's about as stable as the NO levee's

sabotwulf wrote:

This topic is very subjective.  lets look at it this way.  Bush was informed that Katrina was going to be a very big storm.  This statement was a "prediction" seeing as how as of this time in this day in age we really can't 100% accurately gauge the weather.  If you were in his shoes and were told "one day in advance" that there is a very big storm coming and that your agency leaders with whom you must put trust into to run thier angencies told you that they were prepared what would YOU do?  The gov. was prepared for the types of storms that we have always had.  Katrina blew in and top the charts and then some.  Like I said, we can only "predict" a level of a storm, Kartina came and put a smack down on N.O..  Another unforscene aspect were the levies breaking and flooding the districts.  It was said that it "might" happen and seeing as how they have stood up to the type of storm that Katrina was "predicted" to be and not what it became they concentrated on other issues more. Now, I will say that they Gov. and the state were caught with thier panties down and Katrina gave them and all the unfortunate residents a good rimming.  I will be honost here, I do think that Bush has been screwing up a lot lately but I will defend him on this topic and ttry to put yourself in his shoes and look at the BIG picture and you can see that he did not lie but that everyone was "unprepaired".

First off we CAN predict the weather almost 100% correct . We knew about this storm 40 years ago bro ........40 years ago . We knew it was going to be a cat 5 storm . I put the blame on the governor .
First off he didn't mobilise the National Guard . That's HIS job , not president's . Second he should have built up the levees . There are not high enough , nor far out enough . The whole thing was just not good enough .
Third why did the governor spend $600 million on a football stadium instead of redesigning the levees ?
Last even IF Bush had eveything in place ready for the storm things would have been fucked anyhow . People didn't want to leave or didn't have the means . Come on folks , this is Mother Nature here . We she speaks we sit down and STFU till shes done .

Tak_Bonehead wrote:

3 points I'd like to bring up.
1.  The press is LIBERAL?????  Give me a break.  The mainstream press is owned, printed, and distributed by a conservative, stictly business-oriented, and (like the current administration) only tells people what they and their advertisers think people want to hear.  It's always the old saw: because I don't like what the press is telling me, it must be liberal.  The few times it does support the republicans, it's "they're telling me the truth". . .  Fox is just the more extreme of the mainstream conservative, me-first, fuck anyone who acts/talks/thinks differently from me CONSERVATIVE press.
2.  Bush is a tool.  Impeaching him will do no good.  Is nobody able to perceive that the guy has NO FUCKING CLUE as to what is going on?  His only strength is that he can be easily led by people (like Cheney) who know what power is, and how to use it.
3.  Clinton.  Monica.  WHO REALLY GIVES A DAMN that he got a blowjob?  Jesus, anyone in the corporate world is getting this regularly.  The guy had a chick go down on him, and somehow that is some huge moral dilemma, we should impeach the lying bastard and all that shit.  The only person who should/could be really worried about that is Hillary.  NOT US.  Personally, I'm much more worried about an idiot in the white house, elected with like 20% of the populations direct assent, running around, attacking everyone in sight, abrogating all international commitments, and making his goddam friends rich.  The cynical homeland shit just brings it home for me.
Well that's my rant for now.  I'm ready for the personal attacks, unfounded by any logic, that are sure to follow.

Nobody cared that he couldn't get his dick sucked without giving the chick a six figure salary provided by Taxpayers, or that he did it on Taxpayer time in a Public Office. Hey how else was he gonna get any?
It was that he manipulated witnesses in a slander trail by his former GF Puala Jones. The ugly fat chick was later to become a witness, Then it also led to perjury. I know its hard to follow more than 3 steps but keep trying.  All this When our Country was hit 8 times by Terrorsist with out a response by him The 1st being the
1993 World Trade Center Attacks. All this guy could do well is jerk off. He didn't know enuff to inhale . Right ?
Wait He said he would never sqwirt! I geuss he didnt have "the jerking off thing" down either.

my Aristotle side says "it's good that human beings, regardless of their understanding of an issue, are engaged in debate, since reason is what makes a one a member of our species. and that excersize of reason leads to the flourishing of human kind"

but my Plato side says "people without a scientific grasp on politics and psychology should not be committing an injustice and meddling in things above their heads, indeed they should probably killed or have their liberties revoked."

I always more of a Platonist...

my impression of half the posts here

"i dont see why it's the federal government's job to protect a city from a hurricane that is going to devestate it when the federal government is responsible for protection on a massive scale, since this one my my city got hit by a storm and our city council handled it fine with their resources"

"i have no sympathy for all the people who are affected cus i know this one guy who was affected and he just moved away no problem, why doesn't everybody else spend their hundreds of thousands of dollars in their bank accounts to relocate and get on with their lives? this victim mentality is destroying the country, and it's the liberal's fault!"

"bush is a good leader and he's better than clinton that guy didn't care about anything but when bush knew there was a problem he went down there and made sure to give a talk about tom delay's broken home (totally destroyed, you know), no, there's no way that the repeated offensively ignorant statements that demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of the crisis in any way demonstrate poor leadership on the part of the republicans who made those statements. this so called "evidence" of advancing warning is nothing but a pathetic attempt to distract us from the basic fact that liberals are bad."

"i don't care that there is now evidence that bush blew off warnings about the storm and clearly scape-goated one of his chronies at a time when his approval ratings were at the lowest, because that's just the work of the liberal media! they may claim that bush cut money from the levy system that protects louisianna.. but that doesn't matter because the state could have just pulled money from other areas in it's budget and made up for the loss - it's totally the state's fault"

"so what there was advanced warnings from other sources about the severity of the hurricane, people need to learn how to work for themselves and solve their problems. this one time my dad got his kite stuck up in a tree and he just got it, it's that attitude that makes america great and the democrats in charge at louisianna certainly "lost the kide" on this one"

"bush is good because this one time way back when, this one democrat did this one bad thing... so bush's attrocity today doesn't matter. dumb bush bashers"

Marconius wrote:

It's not bad to be a liberal in the US...it's just that there are a little more outspoken anti-Left conservative right-wingers on these forums than most.

We liberals want change and tolerance, a more focused/stronger government that's also transparent, and a sharper eye to make sure Civil Liberties aren't infringed in the country. 

Conservatives don't want change and are totally fine with America's old values and for the most part tend to be very intolerant of the rest of the world.  They are for a smaller and more privatized government, leading towards more corporate control of American values.  You can read through any of the anti-muslim threads (Read: almost all of them ) to see what I mean.

We liberals want change and tolerance, Is that why you pull my posts ?  lol

Marconius wrote:

NOT subjective.  Watch the video, watch the press conference, check the stories before and after Katrina hit.  Repeat as necessary.  He was briefed.  Then he said he WASN'T briefed.  Should I make it simpler for you?
You just won't let go...

I'm not even going to get into a religious tolerance debate with you as it will be absolutely worthless.  Christian intolerance infriges our civil liberties as well, and I declare that we will always be at an impasse.

I think you need to know the meaning of the word before you can claim it as how you view others.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/tolerance

Your intolerance is despicable.

Can we all agree that it was a big hurricane and that

New Orleans being below sea level When Flooded would stay flooded.

Most Hurricane floods abate when The Storm surge passes. A day or so.
This was a 1 and 2 knock out punch. The flood made the typical influx of aid that comes later, much harder to provide because the Entire infrastructure was gone.
The Helicopters who should have been helping a few hundred old, infirm or deranged hold outs of roofs and providing aid were instead trying to rescue 60000 people who didn't ,wouldn't ( and yes some couldn't ) evacuate (I myself must admit I was to stupid to leave also But the people in the Keys assured me it would pass north of Key West and in my defense They didn't ask me to evacuate.  Had they, I would have. It was an Experience )

Authorities/Rescuers  were also busy chasing looters, Snipers and looting a bit them selves, In my experience its the Governor who runs the show and take the reins at a hurricane. In hurricane Andrew we Say Jeb Bush and no one else.

Anyone from there Area has been expecting a Major levee failure for 20 years now. The bigger concern was that it would let go at or north of the Afafallachia [sp] gates.

So you admit to a little dabbling in " the Black Arts of The  Patriot Act "  So how do " you decide What's relevant " If you agree with it ?