BF2S Forums Israeli-Palestinian conflict

morbesso666 wrote:

what a murder of innocent elders, women and children can seen except from what I'm presenting?!?!?!? what did the baby, the 4 years old child, the 12 years old child, the pregnant woman do to them?!?!?! godamnit, don't u get it?!?! Europeans did nothing to stop the nazis and now that we have a country u don't do nothing to stop more slaughter of jews. just unbelievable. So you say ok, you have the means to defend yourselves do it by yourselves so what are you complaining for?!?! Of course I don't say we massacre palestinians but palestinians do die from firefights (and usually from untrained armed plaestinians' fire). If they didn't try to kill our innocent citizens, we wouldn't even been in the palestinian-populated areas. How difficult is it to understand!?!?

I understand this, but what I said the extremists don't have a part in the Israeli parlament, and in the last parlament not even a religious party had. So quit the bullshit we cause that because as I wrote just above, if the palestinians from the Jenin refugee camps and such wouldn't try to explode inside our so thin state no one's life would be in danger (except for palestinians that get hit from firefights between fatah and hamas, two palestinian terrorist organization and gangs like in USA).
Our extremist never take decisions having to do with the conflict. But in the palestinian side, 75% of the palestinians have chosen the extremist religious side that kill women and children. That actually clears up that the palestinian people beleive in this method.

Again, you can't stay out of territories, you must defend our cities!!! Just think in sense before you write something!!! You want us to stop the suicide bomber in the opening of the mall??? no, right? So we just go in the territories and not let them get close to the green line, to the safety of our citizens, which looks to be in a second priority (first the opinion of the world ).

lol tell this to our innocent heads of the state that think they can make peace with those who say their god sent them to murder us all and throw us to the sea.


ALSO WATCH THE WAY YOU ATTACK ME AND NOT THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT INVENT THINGS UP, SAYING FUCK ISRAEL AND STOP. THAT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE ANTI-ISRAEL AND NOT OBJECTIVE AT ALL. NO ONE TO TALK TO. JUST HOPE SOMEONE WITH SOME BRAIN WOULD READ THIS.

Last edited by Spark (2006-02-20 23:57:03)

Flecco wrote:

Just want to point out to Morbesso that Europe did all it could to stop the Nazis... It was a world war buddy...

What about the 20 million communists that the Nazis killed? The 4 million homosexuals? The thousands of mentally disabled people? No body brings them up...

Spark wrote:

First, watch your grammar. It was rather frustrating deleting the bits becuase you had not properly used 'quote'.

On your first point: Many PL's could say exactly the same thing about you. What did those innocent people (that you kindly listed) do to you before you blew them to oblivion with missles? You make up the excuse that 'it was a terrorist hideout' then say 'sorry, we missed'. Well, sorry won't cut it when someone is pointlessly killed.

Second, can you tell me what history textbook you're using when you say that, in essence, Europe just let nazi's take all their land? I've never heard that before and chances are I never will... A gun ain't much use on planes and tanks (which was the base of the blitzkreig strategy).

You say that you wouldn't be in the PL's land if they stopped killing you. Wrong way round, sir. It should be that they would stop killing you if you got the hell out. Makes much more sense. That's the reason they kill you! Cos' you've camped on their land!

Most extremist groups generally don't trust governments. So its nothing to me that their are no 'extremist' groups, in the way you mean. Their probably ARE extremists in parliament (extremist, if you hand't established, being a person with extreme views. NOT a terrorist, though the two often correlate). Anyway, I see no difference between an 'extremist' blowing up someone and an Apache blowing up someone.

Hmm.... you'll find extremists in every religion... Islam is just a little

Again, I wouldn't see any reason for a bomber to blow up your mall if you didn't have a mall there in the first place (i.e. get away from there).

And your last statement is unintelligable, so I can't respond.

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

So.... it basically comes down to this... The Arabs weren't really asked wether they agreed to the foundation of Israel or not... and apparently, they were not. I guess the situation would have normalized more or less quickly if Israel would not have started with mass expulsion (deportation) of Palestinians out of Gaza and the Westbank. I find it quite natural that they were and are pissed. Since the Palestinians do not have an army of their own, they do, what they are able to do... they fight a Guerilla war... which our friend from Israel called terrorism...

I see your history dates back to only the first world war.  Try a little harder please.

"Roman rulers put down Jewish revolts in about A.D. 70 and A.D. 132. In A.D. 135, the Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem. The Romans named the area Palaestina, at about this time. The name Palaestina, which became Palestine in English."
...
"During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim  Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. Jerusalem was conquered about 638 by the Caliph Umar (Omar) who gave his protection to its inhabitants. Muslim powers controlled the region until the early 1900's."

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

My math may be wrong but it looks like this places Jews there well before Arabs.

The rulers allowed Christians and Jews to keep their religions. However, most of the local population gradually accepted Islam and the Arab-Islamic culture of their rulers.

Flecco wrote:

Just want to point out to Morbesso that Europe did all it could to stop the Nazis... It was a world war buddy...

What about the 20 million communists that the Nazis killed? The 4 million homosexuals? The thousands of mentally disabled people? No body brings them up...

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

First, try reading the history of Sudan.  You will see what happens once Muslims introduce Islam to native populations.  I think 'accepted' Islam isn't a good word to use.
Second, Jews were kicked out of the area.  Thus the reason for low numbers of Jews in the area.
Third, also according to the brief history, "By 1880, about 24,000 Jews were living in Palestine, out of a population of about 400,000. At about that time, the Ottoman government imposed severe restrictions on Jewish immigration and land purchase."  No more Jews were allowed to settle and that lead to a Muslim majority.  Make sense now?

The Zionists established farm communities in Palestine at Petah Tikva, Zichron Jacob, Rishon Letzion and elsewhere. Later they established the new city of Tel Aviv, north of Jaffa.

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

Spark wrote:

First, watch your grammar. It was rather frustrating deleting the bits becuase you had not properly used 'quote'.

On your first point: Many PL's could say exactly the same thing about you. What did those innocent people (that you kindly listed) do to you before you blew them to oblivion with missles? You make up the excuse that 'it was a terrorist hideout' then say 'sorry, we missed'. Well, sorry won't cut it when someone is pointlessly killed.

Second, can you tell me what history textbook you're using when you say that, in essence, Europe just let nazi's take all their land? I've never heard that before and chances are I never will... A gun ain't much use on planes and tanks (which was the base of the blitzkreig strategy).

You say that you wouldn't be in the PL's land if they stopped killing you. Wrong way round, sir. It should be that they would stop killing you if you got the hell out. Makes much more sense. That's the reason they kill you! Cos' you've camped on their land!

Most extremist groups generally don't trust governments. So its nothing to me that their are no 'extremist' groups, in the way you mean. Their probably ARE extremists in parliament (extremist, if you hand't established, being a person with extreme views. NOT a terrorist, though the two often correlate). Anyway, I see no difference between an 'extremist' blowing up someone and an Apache blowing up someone.

Hmm.... you'll find extremists in every religion... Islam is just a little

Again, I wouldn't see any reason for a bomber to blow up your mall if you didn't have a mall there in the first place (i.e. get away from there).

And your last statement is unintelligable, so I can't respond.

Ok.  Yet another who knows the conflict backwards and forwards.  Why don't you apply to the history channel.  They're hiring historical brainiacs daily.

Roman rulers put down Jewish revolts in about A.D. 70 and A.D. 132. In A.D. 135, the Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem. The Romans named the area Palaestina, at about this time. The name Palaestina, which became Palestine in English."
...
"During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim  Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. Jerusalem was conquered about 638 by the Caliph Umar (Omar) who gave his protection to its inhabitants. Muslim powers controlled the region until the early 1900's."

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

My math may be wrong but it looks like this places Jews there well before Arabs.  The Jews should leave the land they were given back after being kicked out and now you want them to be kicked out again?

atlvolunteer wrote:

cpt.fass1, read the Brief History linked by wannabe_tank_whore.  That will give you a brief overview of the history of the region and should help to answer some of your questions.

Flecco wrote:

By wannabe tank whore's logic, I should get a piece of land in the following locations for free (my family is decended from these areas) Northern Wales, Ireland, another in northern Enland (near Manchester...) and one in the northern areas of Germany (close to Denmark I think)...