TECH Question???

2006-01-30 16:21:50

#1

Husker~ifh~: Beer Consumption Expert; +25|6959|Beerville, USA

Does any one on these forums have their hard drives split. Meaning that when you load software etc. that it is divided equally between the 2, as in 1/2 on one drive and the other 1/2 on the other. I was informed that this reduces load/write times while increasing overall system performace and speed?

Of course I was also told the draw back is that if one HD should fail then you lose everything and have to reinstall the op system and software all over again. <small price to pay for speed-n-performance, lol....

So if you do have your HD split, did it increase system performance and have you had any trouble with it???

2006-01-30 16:27:31

#2

dankassasin42o: Member; +68|6908|Reefersyde, CA

i havent heard anything about that, i have 1 hard drive that thinks its 4. C: is for system shit, IE OS, Office, Ect, d: (games), e: storage, f: (trial)

2006-01-30 16:36:31

#3

oberst_enzian: Member; +234|6971|melb.au

it's called a RAID - redundant array of inexpensive disks or something like that, i think - its faster because you write with two or more heads instead of one, qua two or more HDD's. i think

have a look at this

edit: by the way, i suggest you go and delete the other two copies of this thread, before 12yo morons flame you for creating duplicates

Last edited by oberst_enzian (2006-01-30 16:50:23)

2006-01-30 17:03:23

#4

Skruples: Mod Incarnate; +234|6929

What you describe is called RAID 0 (zero), data striping. RAID 1 is mirroring, where all information on one drive is duplicated exactly on another.

It does decrease read and write time, because all files are split equally on to two drives, meaning each drive only has to recover half of the file when its requested by the OS. Say you have file ABCDEFGH, where each letter is a block of data in the file.

Across 2 drives the data would be split: ACEG on drive 1 and BDFH on drive 2.

Im running with a raid 0 setup.

2006-01-30 17:06:56

#5

dankassasin42o: Member; +68|6908|Reefersyde, CA

Im just used to doing RAID with 2 Hard Drive, never really dont RAID 0

2006-01-30 17:21:30

#6

ninja6o4: Member; +3|6951

The original poster is not talking about RAID config. He has a single drive that is partitioned.

This was practical in the DOS/Win 3.x days, but today I really don't see a reason to partition drives unless you are a neat freak, especially with drives the size they are today. If you defragment your drive when it needs it, you won't be any better or worse off than if you had split it in 2.

RAID0 stripesets are where you will see some sick speeds. Even better, RAID0 Raptors... mmm 10,000 RPM ...

2006-01-30 18:10:55

#7

Husker~ifh~: Beer Consumption Expert; +25|6959|Beerville, USA

oberst_enzian wrote:
edit: by the way, i suggest you go and delete the other two copies of this thread, before 12yo morons flame you for creating duplicates

WTF, I only hit the submit button once, but thanks for pointing it out....

And thanks for the input on the subject, I had never heard of this before today... but I think Skruple hit it on the head as his response is most near to what the guy was trying to explain to me.

2006-01-30 18:19:01

#8

oberst_enzian: Member; +234|6971|melb.au

Husker~ifh~ wrote:
WTF, I only hit the submit button once, but thanks for pointing it out....

yeah, it's something to do with cookies, i think. i had the same thing, and i posted about it in the 'bf2s.com help' section - to cut a long story short, it stopped when I logged out of the site, deleted my cookies and temp internet files, and logged back in.

2006-01-30 19:31:59

#9

Husker~ifh~: Beer Consumption Expert; +25|6959|Beerville, USA

https://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/22-111-151-01.JPG

Cheetah 15K.4 147GB 15,000 RPM 8MB Cache SCSI Ultra320 for only $1,140.00

^^^Okay I'm taking donations...... I want this one^^^

Last edited by Husker~ifh~ (2006-01-30 19:33:32)

2006-01-30 22:56:58

#10

-101-InvaderZim: Member; +42|7072|Waikato, Aotearoa

Creating partitons on your HDD is all good. I do it to mine. FOR EXAMPLE - On a 120GB drive, create a 40Gig partition (and call it WinXP). In this partition put your programs and software. On the other 80GB partition put all your other crap that you want to keep - Porn, MP3s, cracks and patches etc. (Maybe installed games too).
When XP dies from time to time, all you need to do is format and install XP on your C: drive. All your other data is stays safe on your 80gig partition. The down side to this is you MAY have to reinstall your programs and software (Winamp, Winace, ACD Systems etc). I say may, cos sometimes i do have reinstall other times i dont.

2006-01-30 23:21:03

#11

TehSeraphim: Thread Ender; +58|6952|New Hampshire

Husker~ifh~ wrote:
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ … 151-01.JPG

Cheetah 15K.4 147GB 15,000 RPM 8MB Cache SCSI Ultra320 for only $1,140.00

^^^Okay I'm taking donations...... I want this one^^^

Waste of money dude. Go for the western digital raptor 10,000 RPM HDD. It's nearly as fast and its about...oh...1,000 dollars less lol.

I don't mess with RAID configs because I back up all my stuff onto an external HDD (usually because my friends and I give each other stuff we download - seasons of TV shows, etc. to reduce our bandwidth usage). My suggestion is to just pick up the HDD I mentioned - besides, with HDD speeds being fast as they are, I don't think you're going to notice much of a time between an average seek time of 9ms and 4.3 ms...except if you're transferring gigantic files.

2006-01-30 23:22:38

#12

Skruples: Mod Incarnate; +234|6929

Ive seen benchmarks on that cheetah drive that werent that impressive, especially considering the size of the drive and the insane cost. You'd be better off just buying 7 or 8 raptors and raid 0ing them, and you could do it for the same amount of money.

2006-01-30 23:52:00

#13

Maj.Do: Member; +85|6981|good old CA

naw raid 5 is better^

2006-01-31 08:18:37

#14

Husker~ifh~: Beer Consumption Expert; +25|6959|Beerville, USA

LOL, I was only joking on the Cheetah... that sum beotch is way over priced vs. it performace < from what I've read anywho...

I'm probably just going to go with x2 Sata II 3.0GB 7200's set in Raid 0 and call it a day before my wife shoots me with one of my own guns? Something about spending 2 grand in 3 months on two rebuilds that ruffles her feathers,, go firgure eh! Of course had I known then what I know now I would of only had to do one rebuild, but hey we live and we learn right?

Thanks for the input though guys.

2006-01-31 09:08:45

#15

Lt.Maverick|Lw|: youve now just been Pwned by the Mavster; +-1|6953

Women eh

2006-01-31 11:03:36

#16

SAS-Lynx: Scottish Moderator!!!; +13|7005|Scotland!!!

Moved

2006-01-31 14:16:00

#17

.ACB|_Cutthroat1: No place like 127.0.0.1; +76|6924|Gold Coast,QLD,Australia

still at it lynx omg <3

2006-01-31 16:25:49

#18

vjs: Member; +19|7000

Husker~ifh~ wrote:
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ … 151-01.JPG

Cheetah 15K.4 147GB 15,000 RPM 8MB Cache SCSI Ultra320 for only $1,140.00

^^^Okay I'm taking donations...... I want this one^^^

Got one already they rock!!! Not the 147G but the 72G version they are only about 600 bucks now...

I actually have 2, no joke I'm serious. I generally load faster than my friends computer almost identical specs, mabye his is faster, except he has sata raptors 2x raid-0 (Stripe)

2006-01-31 16:39:30

#19

vjs: Member; +19|7000

Waste of money dude. Go for the western digital raptor 10,000 RPM HDD. It's nearly as fast and its about...oh...1,000 dollars less lol.

I'll agree with this, it's probably not worth the money but niether is 7800's in sli, and we are talking the same kind of money here.

My suggestion is to just pick up the HDD I mentioned - besides, with HDD speeds being fast as they are, I don't think you're going to notice much of a time between an average seek time of 9ms and 4.3 ms...except if you're transferring gigantic files.

Totally incorrect, in everyway you have it backwards... in large files you won't notice the difference....

Let me explain...

Transfer rates:
O.K. I get about 78 MB/s with my drive single 72G 15K scsi
on a 2x raid-stripe raptor 10k gets about 83 mb/s

Advantage Raptor by 5 mb/s

Now access time:
Raid-stripe increases access time.

I get (15K scsi) about 3.2 to <4 ms seek times.
10k raptor really gets about 7-8 ms seek times
Strips increase seek time so I'll agree 9ms

Advantage 15K scsi, I start getting my data 5ms sooner than raptor raid. During those 5ms I can transfer about 390kb.

Also everytime the file is fragmented I gain that 390 kb due to a file seek.

The break even point is after 6MB of continous non-fragmented file read with no other requests from the computer for a file... that rarely happens.

2006-01-31 16:44:57

#20

Souljah: Member; +42|6896

Husker~ifh~ wrote:
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ … 151-01.JPG

Cheetah 15K.4 147GB 15,000 RPM 8MB Cache SCSI Ultra320 for only $1,140.00

^^^Okay I'm taking donations...... I want this one^^^

lmao only $1,140.00, i think i have that under my couch :-P

2006-01-31 17:06:12

#21

SuB: Member; +50|6904

who the hell said he was talkin about partitions?
he's CLEARLY talkin about RAID 0

yes it's good, it's fast, and it improves ur level loading times.

2006-02-01 12:50:05

#22

vjs: Member; +19|7000

Well I would not say LAMO about scsi.

Also I wouldn't get the 146G scsi drive either.

SCSI drives are server class drives which companies stake their reputations on. Alot of 9G 10K scsi's are still around not ticking and taking a beating.

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Think about getting a 15K 36G scsi for just your operating system, games, programs, basically non-storage.

You will seriously see the difference, 15K scsi is well worth it.

Think about it this way, processor ~200 dollars, Vid at least 100, mother board, dvd burner, etc. etc. etc.

All this is great but what stores all the vital information on your computer and is one of the major bottle necks? The harddrive!

I don't think spending 3-500 dollars on a harddrive is ridiculous compared to the costs of some components now a days. Also SCSI drives are the only drives you can get with 5year or greater warranties.

Also let me break it to you people... the raptor is a 10K scsi drive with a serial ATA interface. I just don't understand why they are not releaseing 15K raptors in sata or sata2. If they would sell a 15K sata I'd buy a sata drive over a scsi.

Last edited by vjs (2006-02-01 12:51:26)

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