Arkosh~Kovash
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+0|6883|the Dirty Dirty
as for the end of the Super Power: the economy, like all markets, is cyclical. Ups and downs are a part of an evolving entity that reacts to influencing forces.  The tech boom (bust) can be mostly to blame for the latest US down cycle. But do not be mistaken-- this is still a cycle.  You have to realize the major underlying force at work within this Super Pwer is productivity.  As along as americans work longer (not talking slave labor hours) and are more productive than most, they will always be a power. Americans dont fuc around. that is capitalism at its best.

China is interesting. while they have the population, that is about all they have.  their economic infrastructure is where comparable to where americas was after WWII. they are an export haven because they have cheap, uneducated labor flooding in from the countryside that will work for the small amounts that the staterun govn demands.. what other choice do they have??- for now.
Also, the staterun govn is finally coming around and waking up to the 20th... oh wait 21st century. they are opening up their borders and welcoming some foreign flow of funds and companys to aid in the expansion of their economy, however when you have the govnt telling the corporations what to do you are going at it slowly-backwards? (as apposed to us corporations telling the govnt what to do)

as for the rest of the worlds economy: if you are to look at the correlation between stock market returns in the US to that of every other developed nation you will see an increasing trend from the past. i can quote %'s if needed. as our world becomes more advanced in technology and communications and as multinational firms share and take in profits across the globe, national economies will become more and more correlated or linked. Surprisingly, these percentages actually increase when only looking at DOWN days in the US stock market... meaning that when we win, so does everyone else... (but not as much) as compared to when we hurt, so does everyone else.

in conclusion:  if america goes down, someone better be ready to pick up the slack (europe?) or the whole world is going to feel it... without lubrication

OH-EDIT: throughtout this whole thread McDonalds should be replaced with WALMART.

Last edited by Arkosh~Kovash (2006-01-26 19:29:40)

Berserk_Vampire
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Belive me dont get me started with Walmart lmao.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7054
Tables have four legs, and are sometimes brown
Dogs have four legs, and are sometimes brown
Therefore, dogs are tables.
Or not.

This explains what happens to the Ham every holiday! Damit
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS

Horseman 77 wrote:

Spark wrote:

Tables have four legs, and are sometimes brown
Dogs have four legs, and are sometimes brown
Therefore, dogs are tables.
Or not.
This explains what happens to the Ham every holiday! Damit
What about the ham?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
BEE_Grim_Reaper
Member
+15|6924|Germany
Actually... regarding economy, there currently three superpowers... US, Europe and China... The problem is that all three share basically the same market... if one goes down, all go down. Additionally, more and more of the need for a workforce is relocated to 3rd World countries because they can subsist on a monthly wage we all could not live half a week from (there are some countries, where 2 US Dollar per week is considered high pay, go figure). There, economy is ruining itself. Though there is still a market in the "1st World", it can be seen in the US and in Europe that the unemployment rate is constantly rising. The greatest problem of this is, that the workforce in those countries ARE the ones who actually create that market. The more are unemployed the less have money to buy on that market... ergo the market slowly dies. On the other hand, people in the manufacturing low-budget countries don't have the money to create a market. Basically, it leads to a point, where everyone except a select few (and I am not talking about countries here but of people) will have to live on a level of basic subsistence and everything is owned by the corporations.
This actually the bad part of free markets in conjunction with globalism...

You think that this sounds too much like cyberpunk science fiction? Same has been said about Jules Verne but nowadays nearly everything that he has written about has come true.
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6890|Colorado
Only time will tell, to speculate is a waste of time...
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7054

Spark wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Spark wrote:

Tables have four legs, and are sometimes brown
Dogs have four legs, and are sometimes brown
Therefore, dogs are tables.
Or not.
This explains what happens to the Ham every holiday! Damit
What about the ham?
The Table eats it !
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS

Horseman 77 wrote:

Spark wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:


This explains what happens to the Ham every holiday! Damit
What about the ham?
The Table eats it !
Ah, ok.
I suppose I'd better get a nice long rope then for the table
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Aegis
Sailor with no BF2 Navy
+19|6962|I'm worldwide, beotch
Lol give it up America haters... The Dow hits 11,000 for the first time in several years, but we're in a slump?

Last edited by Aegis (2006-01-28 21:40:22)

Berserk_Vampire
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You're going down faster then a mcdonalds meal.
AFlyingNun
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Berserk_Vampire wrote:

You're going down faster then a mcdonalds meal.
I just realized that if you listen to that guys statement about how "throughout this thread the word mcdonald's should be replaced with WALMART," then this statement is now:

"You're going down faster than a Walmart meal."


Hur hur.....walmart meal... :B
AirForce2076
Member
+1|6959|MN
it's great to know America will be up and strong for at least the next 1000 years
Flame-Catcher
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+0|6899|Purgatory
Has anyone taken into account the amount of countries that are in debt billions and trillions to the US from everything to feeding them to wars to economic assistance? I'm sure not everyone likes the US but one thing ya gotta admit is when a Country is being stump-fucked, they go to the rescue. When I see protestors out, I wish they would go live in a third-world country for a while to really expierence what lack of freedom and possessions are really like. During the Great Depression, economists learned a lot. Since then and even today, our economy has grown. When my parents were growing up, they didn't really have shit until they were in their middle 30's. I bought a nice house (on my own, er with my wife who was a fulltime student at the time) when I was 24. That wasnt very possible 30-40 years ago so something has to be working. Now, I'm not saying that the US is the best and has no faults but I don't have too many complaints right now. I have heard so many bitches about Bush but  to be honest, I think he's handled everything accordingly. After the 9/11 attacks everyone was extremely pleased with how he handled the mess. It's human nature, no matter where you live, if your Country was attacked and hurt, you want to see blood. What do you think would have happened if we just cleaned up the mess and said "That hurt, please don't do that again." From that I can say that one thing learned is War Creates a Financial Gain in Numerous Areas.  There are so many fail-safes in place for the US economy that it would take an awful lot to bring it down.  Im not saying that it's not possible, I guess nothing is impossible anymore but I don't forsee it happening anytime soon.

"Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it."
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6933
Our economy is great... we have super low unemployment... lots of growth... these posts are so bizzare...
where are you getting your facts? Or are you just pulling them out of your ass... lol...
Love is the answer
piett55
Member
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Ice.Man.CRO wrote:

Ok, we all know this is comming. The US economy is going well DOWN!!!! And the EU and China are having an economic boom. The war in Iraq was a last desperate attemt to hold on to something. So how do you think it will end, will the US go gracefully into the sunset, slowly rot away like the USSR or will it go out in a blaze of fire??
It will go out when the world ends, some how we have fail-safes to safe this great country, we survived a GREAT Depression, and our Economy has just hit its best mark in 5 years. Seems to be going up to me, dumbass.

Last edited by piett55 (2006-01-29 01:46:51)

piett55
Member
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Flame-Catcher wrote:

Has anyone taken into account the amount of countries that are in debt billions and trillions to the US from everything to feeding them to wars to economic assistance? I'm sure not everyone likes the US but one thing ya gotta admit is when a Country is being stump-fucked, they go to the rescue. When I see protestors out, I wish they would go live in a third-world country for a while to really expierence what lack of freedom and possessions are really like. During the Great Depression, economists learned a lot. Since then and even today, our economy has grown. When my parents were growing up, they didn't really have shit until they were in their middle 30's. I bought a nice house (on my own, er with my wife who was a fulltime student at the time) when I was 24. That wasnt very possible 30-40 years ago so something has to be working. Now, I'm not saying that the US is the best and has no faults but I don't have too many complaints right now. I have heard so many bitches about Bush but  to be honest, I think he's handled everything accordingly. After the 9/11 attacks everyone was extremely pleased with how he handled the mess. It's human nature, no matter where you live, if your Country was attacked and hurt, you want to see blood. What do you think would have happened if we just cleaned up the mess and said "That hurt, please don't do that again." From that I can say that one thing learned is War Creates a Financial Gain in Numerous Areas.  There are so many fail-safes in place for the US economy that it would take an awful lot to bring it down.  Im not saying that it's not possible, I guess nothing is impossible anymore but I don't forsee it happening anytime soon.

"Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it."
Couldn't have said it better. I know why you are called "Flame-Catcher".
jarhedch
Member
+12|6887|Aberdeen, Uk, SF Bay Area 1st

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

If US falls... china will be next super power... then EU tells china to stfu, then we have another cold war lol. not every country in the world can support itself (europe,taiwan, china etc), that is bad coz if one of their largest trade partners fall, they fall too. But countries like australia can support itself
got news for you, china isn't going to sit back and play the cold war game with europe, they'll load 100,000,000 troops and come rolling into town, and no one will be able to stop it. China is the single biggest threat that the US and Europe have.
Berserk_Vampire
Banned
+7|6905

AFlyingNun wrote:

Berserk_Vampire wrote:

You're going down faster then a mcdonalds meal.
I just realized that if you listen to that guys statement about how "throughout this thread the word mcdonald's should be replaced with WALMART," then this statement is now:

"You're going down faster than a Walmart meal."


Hur hur.....walmart meal... :B
Walmart is satan no joke.

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