BF2S Forums good bye pentium and intel logo

well i,m proud to have intel pentium

my friend bought a 1200€ system a few months ago with a AMD in it...and guess what...it burned! the fucking AMD burned himself and his Motherboard...he could throw that piece of shit away. what caused the Fan on the procesor wasnt mounted good by the shop and it dropped off. well, hes back on intel again...

maybe AMD is faster , but Intel Pentium doesnt burn itself by a small cooling failure.

yea that is biased, AMD makes great cpus.  but me im neutral, waiting for the next generation  cpus to come out

Oh my god.

true,but how come the p4 didnt burn up quickly, dont they run hotter

Maj.Do wrote:

true,but how come the p4 didnt burn up quickly, dont they run hotter

my Prescott 3.4 is running at about 70* right now, just came off of BF2. they run HOT!

*ToRRo*cT| wrote:

but a pentium doesnt burn when the coolers fail. dipshit! so ur computer takes non or minor damage. mostly ur PC just shuts down. (tried it on my older Pentium 4 after my friends AMD burned down coz the cooler felt off) just to show my friend how Intel is even if a shop fucks it up.

http://www4.tomshardware.com/images/thg … ooling.zip

nice movie about CPU's when the cooler are taken off

*sigh* While this video was something substantial back then, it's ancient history given the age of the file as well as the CPU that THG tested on.

The Pentium4s back then (2nd gen? Or was it 3rd?) introduced thermal throttling by which the CPU will throttle down to prevent overheating and possibly damaging the CPU core.  Intel designed the CPU to have a maximum temperature that'll activate the throttling function call to counter the heat output from the CPU when certain component failure arises.  If a fan fails, then the CPU will still run, albeit hotter, and may eventually throttle to prevent overheating.  And if, by some ungodly freak force of nature, that your heatsink oh-just-so-happens to FALL OFF, then the CPU will still be safe.

Back then, AMD didn't have any methods of preventing a CPU from overheating.  But back then the CPUs were running pretty hot at the time.  In fact, their CPUs run hot enough that you need something more than just your standard aluminum heatsink to cool it down.  Yet despite this, their Athlons were keeping up with Intel's Pentium 3 and 4 during those times, and at prices that's substantially lower than Intel's.  AMD didn't have any method of internal thermal monitoring.  All that was done externally.  There wasn't any protection system either... not until the days of AthlonXP.  By then, they were just getting some internal thermal diode into their CPUs.  But in order to safely protect the CPU, there has to be a tempurature threashold and that implementation was done in the motherboard's BIOS.  As a result, motherboard designers and manufacturers has to design the protection system using the maximum temperature limit documented by AMD.  In these cases, when the threashold was hit or broken, the simplest way to protect the CPU core was to shut the system down abruptly.  It may be a crude method of doing so but at the very least, it saves the core from further damage.

The thermal protection used for AMD's CPUs exists even today even though we have a mock-up thermal design called Cool-n-Quiet.  However, AMD's CPUs have come a long way since then... and Intel... well... things change.

If you were to compare thermally the differences between Intel's CPUs and AMD's Athlon64 CPUs, you'll see how things have gone for both companies.  Intel's previous generation of Pentium4, codenamed Northwood, was perhaps Intel's last great P4 core design.  Not only was it fast but it also was cool and performed well.  It may not perform on par with AMD's Athlon64 processors in the gaming arena but it was a good CPU nonetheless.  Its HyperThreading was a precursor to the day when we'll have dual-core processors around and it gave the many of us a glimpse to the world of multi-threading.

Now we have Intel's latest CPU offerings which is codenamed Prescott, a CPU which not only introduced a new core design but also longer pipelines and a new socket design.  Yet even though they introduced those new designs, one thing that troubled them was the fact that compared to the previous generation and at the same clock, the processor was slower and hotter.  These cores were to be used in the future design for their dual-core series and one can only imagine the heat output of these things.

Having seen some of the hard numbers generated by hours of testing, slaving, and note-taking, it was documented that Intel's dual-core processors not only consumed more power, runs hotter, but also performed worse than AMD's dual-core offering, which processed faster, ran cooler, and consumed less power to boot.  So now the tides have turned to AMD's favor by which they run thermally cooler than Intel's Pentium4 series, something which I thought would never come to reality... yet it did.  So while this only compared AMD's desktop Athlon64 series with Intel's current Pentiums, it isn't the same when you view the Pentium-M series.  But that is a totally different department altogether.

So while I have discussed in whole about the entire CPU series and its thermal design as well its thermal protection system in place for both CPU series, not once had I mentioned about the abusridity of Tom's Hardware Guide in general.  However, I'd digress if I were to say more.  The video was something... but no fool is going to design their rig to be susceptible to a heatsink incidentally falling off.  If the part's covered in warranty, then let it be replaced.  Otherwise, you take the risk and chance that, back then, your CPU would fry up in smoke.  Granted, I believe most people who has built their rigs did so with new heatsinks and fans... instead of recycled ones.