BF2S Forums End of the Super Power!

Ice.Man.CRO wrote:

Ok, we all know this is comming. The US economy is going well DOWN!!!! And the EU and China are having an economic boom. The war in Iraq was a last desperate attemt to hold on to something. So how do you think it will end, will the US go gracefully into the sunset, slowly rot away like the USSR or will it go out in a blaze of fire??

Open your text book and reply with the copyright year.  If it says late 1920s... trash it. 


The DOW is at its highest level in several years, unemployment is at 5%, WTF are you talking about??

China would not be able to survive within its own borders.  Their population density to farming area is not enough to support themselves.  Once millions of them die they could then support themselves.  The US could also support themselves just the same.  Our country holds almost every naturaly resource i can think of. Including mass oil deposits in Alaska.  We have diamonds,gold,silver,oil,natural gas, farming land out the ass, coal, lots of wildlife, iron, aluminum, bauxite, the list keeps going.  We could support our current population as is.  We would however have a reduction in standard of living to do this.  Ex. Less cars per household, not as many luxuries, etc.  But we could easily support ourselves within our borders.  We would definately lose world power though from doing so. As would china if they tried to be an Isolationist country.

ex-static wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

all the big economies depend on each other, as a lot of profit is made from exports. No country can survive  alone. The US will most likely remain a military superpower. but as far as the economy is concerned, no one will be able to match China in the future. Sure, they lack quality and mostly engage in mass products, but that is about to change

I'm here to clear something up.

ALMOST every big economy depends on each other. Not China.
If the rest of the earth was bombed to hell and China was the only country left on this planet it could survive.
China is the only country with all the natural resources in the world.

YOU ARE WRONG!@!!!!! America has all the resources to rubild itself from a nuclear holocaust next time think before you post

Berserk_Vampire wrote:

Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

ex-static wrote:

I'm here to clear something up.

ALMOST every big economy depends on each other. Not China.
If the rest of the earth was bombed to hell and China was the only country left on this planet it could survive.
China is the only country with all the natural resources in the world.

YOU ARE WRONG!@!!!!! America has all the resources to rubild itself from a nuclear holocaust next time think before you post

You cant count mcdonalds as a resource thats cheating.

what a fucking dumbass. listen the us has petrolium, stone, marble, and many other resource that could be used in a post-nuclear world. we do not use any of these resources, because we are waiting for other countires to run out and the sell the resources at unresonable prices

We still have more nukes than everyone else

[DR2nd]Dr.Smoov wrote:

If we go down all the rest of your countries will too, cause everyones eles economy depends on American dollars.  If the US economy goes bust it will be another dark ages on par with what happend after the fall of the Roman Empire.

Elaborate: No goods. All the big companies who make goods go under.

No food. A huge amount of the world's food is produced in the Midwest.

In short. Comparing this to the Dark Ages is no where near strong enough as an analogy of what would happen.

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Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

dude russia was beaten by afganastan. the u.s. beat afganastan. so by the trasitive property the u.s. beat russia

Careful when saying things like that. By this way of thinking you could say:

Tables have four legs, and are sometimes brown
Dogs have four legs, and are sometimes brown
Therefore, dogs are tables.
Or not.

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GeneralDodo wrote:

bunch of liberal crap. the US economy isnt as bad as you think. Thats only what the liberal left-wing media is trying to make it seem like. Don't listen to their bullcrap, its not good for you.

You may be right, but you won't win many friends by talking like that. Try to be a bit reasonable.

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Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

FACTS
We are at war therfore we need to spend money on the war.
Here are the real U.S. Statistics
U.S.
Unemployment rate-5.1%
Inflation rate (consumer prices)-3.2%
Budget-revenues: $2.119 trillion
           expenditures: $2.466 trillion
Debt - external-$8.837 trillion
FACTS PROVIDED BY THE CIA WORLD FACTBOOK LOOK IT UP

Well said. The US economy is going very well.

However:
Speculation. Will there be a Second Depression?

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2ndLt.Tucker wrote:

The man is right.  The world is all dependent on foreign trade for the most part.  If a major economy that produces both capital and consumer goods falls alot of crap follows....as for Canada, you'll have to find another country to grow your food and europe relies alot on us for food as well.  The US is a HUGE consumer producing nation that exports crop to all parts of the world.  We collapse....everyone starts getting hungry.  The population of Europe is too large for the amount of rural areas it posseses to produce food.  Alot of russia can't grow food and is almost uninhabitable.  There is at best a 3-4month window for most of russia  to grow crops.  Permafrost kinda screws them over.  Name another part of the world that has as much fertile land for agriculture as the US.  Canada sure as fuck doesn't, New Zealand doesn't, Australia doesn't, Mexico....well they come here illegaly, Britian doesn't,Germany, France, Italy...the list goes on.

Hear hear. Australia has to be one of the worst places to grow food (yet it is famous for its livestock).

1. Driest inhabited continent on earth. Nice start.

2. The El Nino/La Nina cycle. We either have scorching droughts or cold flooding.

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Lol, Beserk_Vampire, that's quite good.

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The Depression. Here's something interesting. Late 1930s. U.S. industrial production suddenly snapped out of the Depression. Why?

Let's just say it was a very angry man with a toothbrush moustache...

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Here is the problem with china....they RELY to heavily on the US economy for imports/exports.  We fall...they fall.

Remove 'US' and put 'World'

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Well said, Chuy.

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Cougar wrote:

2.  The U.S. will remain a superpower for at least another 100 to 200 years.  This is based more so on government than military.  Remember the old saying, Democracy is the worst form of government.....except all the others that have been tried.  Being that we are the largest and oldest democracy on Earth and the fact that most democracy's follow Capitalism-hence experianced Capitalists-we are in a unique oppurtunity to control world markets in a sense and sway them in our favor.  Case in point is how most if not all currency is compared and contrasted to the American dollar.

Remove 'government' and insert 'corporations'.

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The Chinese were and are a powerful military force. Or have you forgotten that they posess the world's largest army?

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Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

Here is what we americans need to do
1. get rid of welfare
2. get rid of illegal immigrants
3. give the americans the jobs the illegals have
4. get china out of our companies and put a serious lockdown on outsorucing
5. make sure if they can work that they are
6. finally convert from importer to exporter

7. Convince other, now very angry and disillusioned countries to import US goods over Chinese goods, which are much cheaper.

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Actually, no TriggerHappy. Russia has more nukes, I believe.

Still it would be fun to watch China try and Help out at Tsunamis and earth quakes and stuff.

Personally I doubt they'd give a shit. Maybe if we weren't a super power we wouldn't  be responsible for all these " Has been / fuck up " countries  we are always rescuing, that'd be cool.

By the way I am the 1st male in my Family who wasn't a paratrooper since the Creation of Airborne units in the USA.

                               The moral of that story.. ?

                    Next time, ..    NO ONE      is coming.  lol !! have fun !

Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

Berserk_Vampire wrote:

Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

YOU ARE WRONG!@!!!!! America has all the resources to rubild itself from a nuclear holocaust next time think before you post

You cant count mcdonalds as a resource thats cheating.

what a fucking dumbass. listen the us has petrolium, stone, marble, and many other resource that could be used in a post-nuclear world. we do not use any of these resources, because we are waiting for other countires to run out and the sell the resources at unresonable prices

it only takes 7 nukes to kill the planet, everybodies dead except for australia and theyll be like wtf? but they'll be dead soon... fucking kangaroos (from end of the world flash movie)... and all the radiation will traval around the globe, giving ppl cancer and we'll get a nuclear winter

the economy isnt great but its not a depression or anything. were just being fucked in the ass by the bush adminstration who doesnt know what the fuck they are doing. fucking cunt muffins. i bet bush didnt even graduate from fucking high school. i hope he and his buddy dick die.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

Berserk_Vampire wrote:

You cant count mcdonalds as a resource thats cheating.

what a fucking dumbass. listen the us has petrolium, stone, marble, and many other resource that could be used in a post-nuclear world. we do not use any of these resources, because we are waiting for other countires to run out and the sell the resources at unresonable prices

it only takes 7 nukes to kill the planet, everybodies dead except for australia and theyll be like wtf? but they'll be dead soon... fucking kangaroos (from end of the world flash movie)... and all the radiation will traval around the globe, giving ppl cancer and we'll get a nuclear winter

Um. Explain?

Jack_Danger wrote:

Hey anybody think of the stock market crash in this??? that might of been the worst economic depression ever and the U.S. came out of that and became a freakin super power. cyborg ninja don't worry, if a nuclear winter happens global warming will even things out lol.

yes it will, but it would be a dusty one... all the dust just blocks sunlight and half the world will die of radiation, ok everyone will die (if theres a few survivors) then the survivors will freeze to death, so will the cocroches and ants...

Spark wrote:

Berserk_Vampire wrote:

If the states didnt have mcdonalds and guns = End of the U.S

I was also gonna say overweight people but im in a good mood.

Man, STFU about Maccas. They're ONE company, out of I-Don't-know-how-many.

Yes but to Americans they are everything to them