I know you said "This poll will be with GRAPHICS AND COMPUTER SPEED BESIDE THE POINT", but the problem is it isn't (beside the point) - the number one overwhelming difference is the size of ones wallet (and therefor the leetness of ones gaming rig).
Poll
Do you think skill is based more on Intelligence or Reflexes?
| Intelligence by Far | 52% | 52% - 241 | ||||
| Reflexes like Jet Lee | 47% | 47% - 221 | ||||
| Total: 462 | ||||||
Ok Scorpion how about this:
This poll will be with IF GRAPHICS AND COMPUTER SPEED WERE BESIDE THE POINT.
NOW what is your opinion?
This poll will be with IF GRAPHICS AND COMPUTER SPEED WERE BESIDE THE POINT.
NOW what is your opinion?
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
My opinion is still that graphics and computer speed are not at all beside the point. Differences of reflexes and intelligence make next to no difference at all. The differences you notice are primarily those caused by differences in graphics and computer speeds.
now that's not entirely true. i actually turn my graphics to lowest despite my card and rig can easily handle all the high settings and shadows. i turn it down to see the claymores and snipers more easilyScorpion0x17 wrote:
I know you said "This poll will be with GRAPHICS AND COMPUTER SPEED BESIDE THE POINT", but the problem is it isn't (beside the point) - the number one overwhelming difference is the size of ones wallet (and therefor the leetness of ones gaming rig).
And, by turning down your graphics, you get higher frame-rates, right?agent146 wrote:
now that's not entirely true. i actually turn my graphics to lowest despite my card and rig can easily handle all the high settings and shadows. i turn it down to see the claymores and snipers more easilyScorpion0x17 wrote:
I know you said "This poll will be with GRAPHICS AND COMPUTER SPEED BESIDE THE POINT", but the problem is it isn't (beside the point) - the number one overwhelming difference is the size of ones wallet (and therefor the leetness of ones gaming rig).
It is the speed of your rig, not how pretty it looks, that is the overwhelming factor.
Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-05-09 21:26:31)
umm thats definitely not an overwhelming factor and is really only slightly larger than luck, but anyways its offtopic since the OP said to exclude this factor.
Last edited by DivineMomentofTruth (2007-05-09 21:31:27)
I think, what DMOT wrote here is precisely the point:
So if someone thinks that intelligence is an attribute proven by his bf2 skills, he can give himself the illusion of being smarter than most others, or at least smarter then the average. Which is pure nonsense. If you want to test your intelligence there are lots of tests to download. Download one or two, take a stop watch and check your intelligence, there will be a lot of disappointment, that's for sure. I'm pretty sure, that the correlation between intelligence and bf2-skills will be almost neglect able. There is nothing wrong with giving oneself to an illusion from time to time. But when you have to do a SAT or some other test to really prove your abilities, this can be a very hard and unpleasant awakening.DivineMomentofTruth wrote:
I honestly think this whole voting for intelligence business is just a mass delusional defense mechanism that everyone uses to justify all their time spent on this game. If you make it sound like a battle of wits, then spending so much time playing is enriching.
So you are telling me a newb that just picked up the game with a leet comp could win against a good player with a slow rig.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
And, by turning down your graphics, you get higher frame-rates, right?agent146 wrote:
now that's not entirely true. i actually turn my graphics to lowest despite my card and rig can easily handle all the high settings and shadows. i turn it down to see the claymores and snipers more easilyScorpion0x17 wrote:
I know you said "This poll will be with GRAPHICS AND COMPUTER SPEED BESIDE THE POINT", but the problem is it isn't (beside the point) - the number one overwhelming difference is the size of ones wallet (and therefor the leetness of ones gaming rig).
It is the speed of your rig, not how pretty it looks, that is the overwhelming factor.
Right.
So if you have knowledge of how to use the gun and exploit the game physics, well then I guess the game is based on smarts. Tell me how knowing how to aim is reflexes? Intelligence is knowing how to shoot, where to move, ect. Reflexes count when you are actually executing them when you are forced to in a short period of time.DivineMomentofTruth wrote:
Furthermore your example is misleading because a guy with the best reflexes in the world and intimate knowledge of hit deviation and how to use cover, manipulate game physics with jumping, the works(<<< all things that have to do with reflexes in bf2), then I will GAURANTEE that this player will own nearly every average player outside the scope of chance.
By your example, you're saying that if you have the quickest reflexes you'd win. But if you have no idea how to fire you're weapon effectively, then you're just going to spray and pray.
Anytime that you say, "a person knows" that infers intelligence, not reflexes.
Stop twisting my words to make them sound like I'm proving your point when in fact I explicitly guard against the assumption that you just made. Knowing where and how to aim is definitely part of your reflexes since it is an unconscious skill that relies on hand-eye coordination. Dodging bullets, jumping behind a building, proning, are all learned relfexes in the game to avoid death. The thing that makes them reflexes is that you're not consciously activating your mind to perform the given tasks, because if you did... you wouldn't survive long or kill anyone for that matter. Can you honestly tell me that you consciously think that you're now going to move your hand so that your crosshair is pointed at an enemy? I've already defined intelligence as conscious and rational consideration of long term outcomes and the processes that are necessary to fulfill them. Bf2 only offers this complexity in highly coordinated team competitve play.
For me its intelligence as I get horrible hitreg and alot of lag on all servers. Reflexes just dont cut it anymore if you spray 30 bullets in the guys face and he doesnt die.
I'm gonna say both. In CSS, every player is a dumb fuck. A good CSS player is a dumb fuck with good aim/reflexes. I know a few CSS players who picked up BF2 and are shit at it. Now keep in mind the fact that, being CSS players, they are dumb fucks.
Need I say more?
Need I say more?
End of debate? Its so true though. Just change your latency settings like Sarge posted in the help section (I think)[NeMe$i$.Dr4g0ncl4w] wrote:
Reflexes just dont cut it anymore if you spray 30 bullets in the guys face and he doesnt die.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Looks like reflexes are closing the gap quickly. Perhaps my steel solid logic paid off.
I was reading a study on it the other day, researchers concluded a higher intellect is important for playing BattleField 2. Higher KDRs 1+ are achieved on average with players with a mean normally distributed IQ over 100.
My KDR is about 4 atm, I'm working on moving it up a notch to 5. I don't play the game all that much thats the odd thing, once a week kind of thing and I always hit the honey pot when it comes to getting the kills.
My KDR is about 4 atm, I'm working on moving it up a notch to 5. I don't play the game all that much thats the odd thing, once a week kind of thing and I always hit the honey pot when it comes to getting the kills.
dude leave your false propaganda out of this thread. "I was reading a study.. blah blah" <<< bullshit. You can't even coherently tell us the results of the study so what makes you think anyone will believe that nonsense? Go hit your mom's honey pot.
If you got a problem with their conclusions take it up with the researchers k, I got nothing to do with the outcome of the study I just posted what I discovered on Google.DivineMomentofTruth wrote:
dude leave your false propaganda out of this thread. "I was reading a study.. blah blah" <<< bullshit. You can't even coherently tell us the results of the study so what makes you think anyone will believe that nonsense? Go hit your mom's honey pot.
Didn't mean to offend you buddy.
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um... now you are certainly offending me. Post a link plz or stfu... considering how relevant this study would be to this discussion and thread its a shock that you haven't cited your source... which further leads me to believe you're full of it. I just did a few google searches on the subject and came up with nothing. No intelligence researcher would waste money doing a study on bf2 players' kdr and their IQ, correlation would be jack shit anyway.
Oh and the reason I sound pissed is because your misinformation probably cost us 3 or 4 votes just now to intelligence. "Oh some guy said he read a study... oh it must be true"
Oh and the reason I sound pissed is because your misinformation probably cost us 3 or 4 votes just now to intelligence. "Oh some guy said he read a study... oh it must be true"
Last edited by DivineMomentofTruth (2007-05-10 22:18:55)
Intelligence during your 15 second coma. Reflexes and Intelligence during the rest of the battle, but mostly intelligence.
I chose Intelligence as some study showed Intelligence was the key factor involved in BF2.
I aint heard of this study but I was heading towards choosing intelligence. I know reaction plays a small part also but Ive always thought Intelligence to be more important. I havent got around to checking it out on Google but i'll take your word for it.Bullet_Force wrote:
I was reading a study on it the other day, researchers concluded a higher intellect is important for playing BattleField 2. Higher KDRs 1+ are achieved on average with players with a mean normally distributed IQ over 100.
My KDR is about 4 atm, I'm working on moving it up a notch to 5. I don't play the game all that much thats the odd thing, once a week kind of thing and I always hit the honey pot when it comes to getting the kills.
Thx for info
Um other people have found and read it, search again.DivineMomentofTruth wrote:
um... now you are certainly offending me. Post a link plz or stfu... considering how relevant this study would be to this discussion and thread its a shock that you haven't cited your source... which further leads me to believe you're full of it. I just did a few google searches on the subject and came up with nothing. No intelligence researcher would waste money doing a study on bf2 players' kdr and their IQ, correlation would be jack shit anyway.
Oh and the reason I sound pissed is because your misinformation probably cost us 3 or 4 votes just now to intelligence. "Oh some guy said he read a study... oh it must be true"
Wow... good for you asshole you just registered 3 accounts to tip the vote and and feed bullshit into this thread since you lack the argumentation skills to prove your point. congratulations. Can a mod look into this since someone is obviously violating the multi account rule in order to throw off this poll. I think a ban is in order.
Last edited by DivineMomentofTruth (2007-05-10 22:38:51)
A man of wisdom should know better than base his answers on a study that most likely is false.ManOfWisdom wrote:
I chose Intelligence as some study showed Intelligence was the key factor involved in BF2.
I just hope whatever original member is behind this gets a hefty ban.