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Nice try at some reactionary prose, but you lose.  Thanks for playing.

Anyways, my money would be on China as our successor, as long as they could get their gov't back into order.  Followed by India, then Russia, also only if they can get their gov't back in order.

beeng wrote:

It's going to be Nauru.
Under that tiny island lays a fortress full of futuristic battle robots!
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac … os/nr.html

Phosphate stockpile!? That's gotta be some sort of WMD.

Horseman 77 wrote:

They said the Same Thing about the U.S.S.R.  In fact they were sure of it.

You'd   " lose " your money.

And if War was the Terrorism of the Rich then  What type of terror was it that Freed the Concentration camps victems.

Put a lid on that mindless Pseudo intellectual blather it has no place in reality.

You might want to consider who started World War II in the first place. I guess it were those who also built concentration camps in the first place.

so what if they own a hug part of the us? us can buy it back, US can threaten china's economy, how? coz since the US spends 1 billion+ on chinese products every year, but their private enterprise right? but whos paying the tax if they got no money? and the chinese ppl want democrocy, they might start a revolution sum day

B,

There is currently too much US investment in China for both countries to allow armed conflict. AMD, Seagate, Intel have manufacturing facilities in China, some of which are huge. So, imo the face off might be remote. The Taiwan issue may eventually disappear if the general populace on that island can see the long term benefits of an integrated economy. But I think this may take time and hard sell from the Chinese government.

To the point about Chinese being paid low wages, it really is relative to the cost of living. The same can be said about the East Europeans too and how some manufacturing facilities are relocating from Western Europe to Eastern Europe (I stand corrected on this). Its not just China.

I still maintain that the future of armed conflicts will not be a superpower face off, but a religion-related one. The Chinese will come out tops as they are not drawn into religious conflicts and avoid debilitating their economy over armed conflicts. Investors see that as a safe haven to park manufacturing operations, and the technology transfer will eventually benefit the Chinese. Just as Nikon took apart European cameras and made a household name for themselves, I see the same thing happening eventually for the Chinese. They are even featuring a car in the upcoming Detroit Motor Show (I think), which shows how serious they are in making a mark on the world economy. I believe Haier is already making inroads in the American consumer market, and wasnt it a report made (I saw this on an American tv channel back during X'mas of '04) about how many gifts being purchased for the festive season are actually made in the US?

So, once more,imho.. Economic Superpower (Future) = China
Military Superpower (Future) = US for its technologically advance military

Edit:

The Taiwanese themselves recently allowed the transfer of technology in the manufacturing of 8" silicon wafer fabrication facility to be setup in China. So, it really is a matter of time before Taiwan becomes integrated into China, and hopefully for the sake of all those in Asia, peacefully.

Last edited by mikeshw (2006-01-18 05:09:54)

I agree. If a conflict between global religions should come though, I wonder what china's position would be. Until now, they have not been targeted by middle eastern terrorists much, if at all ( cannot recall if Al'Quaeda ever did something over there ).

China wisely stayed out of the regional conflicts of the last two decades ( it probably didn't concern them much ) and concentrated on building their economy instead. accordingly, while the USA wasted away on their first surplus in a long time, China grew stronger and stronger.

Whenever the final showdown between christianity and Islam will come, I wonder if China would be able to stay out of it. Cause in theory, muslims make no difference between western infidels and chinese infidels.
China'd be better of sticking to the west in such a conflict...

Imho, religion has been quietly suppressed in China or at least for Christianity ( I cant vouch for Islam). So I really doubt that China will take sides. It will not be to their economic advantage to do so, and especially with a fringe Muslim community on their common borders with Kazakhstan and the likes, they will be courting instability.

It is likely to be a case of waiting on the sidelines and play both sides. After all, they do peddle military hardware to the mid-East. Taking sides therefore may not make sense for them.

btw, the important document as far as US-Taiwan relations are concerned is the "Taiwan Relations act" of 1979. This is what wikipedia has to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act

Text of the TRA can be found here ( AIT website ): http://www.ait.org.tw/en/about_ait/tra/

well, from what I can conclude from Wikipedia, Taiwan should rightfully belong to China, if you ask me...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

Chiang Kai-shek's Kuomintang would have been defeated in the chinese civil war if North corea hadn't invaded South corea in 1950.
Interestingly, the ROC was a founding member of the UN and even held the seat of China in the security council until 1971 ( when the UN threw out the ROC and reckognized the PRC as the only legitimate government for China ).

Hey don't go dissing on the F-16. It's not as manueverable as the F-15E Strike Eagle but its a very capable fighter. Its smaller size does allow for it to dodge missiles easier as well as being much harder to spot in the sky. It can perform the same roles as an f-15 and depending as to what block you have can perform even better.  Our block 42's out performed the F-15 Strike Eagles that were in Qatar at the same time we were.  Our bombs were on target more and so was the close air support.  So the people who work on the aircraft and fly them have ALOT to do with performance.  POOR F-15's.

China, though I think India could also have a part to play in the future given their population, and I can see the EU becoming more powerful...particularly if the UK adopted the Euro as their currency.  The US can't really extend itself any further.