Nope, they didn't open fire first. OUR GREAT GOVERMENT was sick of being made a fool of and haven us watch our tax dollars go down the drain with all the forces and what it took to maintain that area while this was taken place.atlvolunteer wrote:
I think this was a major fuckup by our government. Based on what I've read/seen:
1. I don't think the Branch Davidians opened fire first.
2. The Branch Davidians did not start the fire. One of the tear gas cannisters launched into the house caused it.
IMO, the whole thing was a bunch of bullshit that got escalated by some ATF fucks, just like Ruby Ridge.
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The documentary I watched had infrared footage recorded by an FBI (I think, some gov't agency) helicopter that recorded the entire encounter. Based on that video, it looked like a teargas cannister launched from a tank-like vehicle caused the fire.Ikarti wrote:
Uh, I'm pretty sure the Branch Davidians DID start the fire.
As for shooting first, I don't know.
EDIT: Molesting children IS against the law and a group of people who are ok with it happening aren't on the right side of the law either.
It's hard to tell if justice was served because I believe the "evidence" of child molestation and abuse still under contention. If a child is being abused, the perpetrators must be punished. If there was no abuse on Koresh's part then there was a definite abuse of power on the government's part.Horseman 77 wrote:
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Was it a well run or typical operration ?
Did anything strike you as odd ?
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they didntIkarti wrote:
Last time I checked though, the FBI wasn't close enough to put a bullet in Mr. Koresh's head either, unless it was some sort of exploding round that the evil ATF set off with the fire they supposedly started (Which I maintain that they did not.) The operation was botched, there isn't some government conspiracy though. Koresh was not a good person, and if the cult condones child molestation, then neither are they.
they didnt molest kids. It was a church.Ikarti wrote:
Last time I checked though, the FBI wasn't close enough to put a bullet in Mr. Koresh's head either, unless it was some sort of exploding round that the evil ATF set off with the fire they supposedly started (Which I maintain that they did not.) The operation was botched, there isn't some government conspiracy though. Koresh was not a good person, and if the cult condones child molestation, then neither are they.
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Consult the Roman Catholic Church, and then reread.Horseman 77 wrote:
they didnt molest kids. It was a church.
What does that mean only preist molest or Only catholisisiam (SP) counts as a churchIkarti wrote:
Consult the Roman Catholic Church, and then reread.Horseman 77 wrote:
they didnt molest kids. It was a church.
best statement I have read so far. Let's say I run a peaceful cult/church and have some followers gathered around me in a ranch, including children. Let's also say I consider myself law abiding citizen ( which includes not possessing illegal firearms ).Detgonzo wrote:
Unfortunatley it is hard to understand why people don't get the fact that the people involved possesed illegal firearms which the federal and state government had an obligation to check and remove. If those people involved would have complied with the law and cooperated with the search, none of this would have occured.
We do have many freedoms as American Citizens but none of them allow us to violate the laws that we as a country have set forth. Alot of people fight every day to keep this true and no one individuals rights over rule that.
If these laws don't complie with your beliefs find another place that has laws that do or vote next time and try to change them. Until then, these are the rules like them of leave.
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