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CreepingDeath wrote:

TheDrNailsGuy wrote:

I would never fight against the us millitary, but I have to admit that the asian millitaries would be the worst enemy to have to fight.  They have proven it.  They are very brutal, violent, and plain don't care about life the same way as the U.S. does.

And they have proven it not once but twice Korean and Vietnam wars. They kicked our asses..
Police action my ass. They where both wars.Two wars  us, US lost not once but twice.People for sure will say that we only lost them because of politics . BS we lost them because our military sucked, and was to busy getting high and fucking the woman over there.

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Vietnam:  Vietnam was a political failure...never a military one.  The ratio of deaths between US and Vietnamese Combatants was 1:10.  The US won every significant engagement.  After the war the Vietnamese admitted that the VC was almost entirely destroyed when US forces left.  From day one our forces were restrained from attacking the enemy on his home ground, and his supplies flowed virtually freely through Cambodia and Laos.  We STILL kicked their asses more often than not.  We left because we lacked the political will to continue, not because our forces were incapable.

Korea:  US/UN forces took the entirety of the Korean peninsula from North Korean forces.  It was only when a HUGE army from China came down that the US/UN troops got pushed back to the 38th parallel.  Even so, they managed to hold them there, and force a truce.  Not bad in the face of an army that was numerically superior by a VAST margin.

You don't know what you are talking about.  Read a book and get a clue.

Just remember French tanks (yes they do have them) have five different gears Forward,Fast Reverse, Pissing Yourself Reverse, and my personal favorite the OH SHIT THEYRE SHOOTING AT US THIS ISNT LIKE TRAINING Reverse

freebirdpat wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

china always helps their commie allies... bastards...

even since the US lost both wars, they are still the most powerful country on the planet, why? 12,000+ nukes all left over from the cold war

Korea wasn't a lost war. Look at South Korea, and North Korea today. Which one has a better economy, a more educated populace? South Korea wins hands down. Hyundai makes fine cars and ships.

they way they lost the war is the have korea splited, thats how they lost. if its just korea, not north or south. US wouldnt have nuclear threats from the north now would they?

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

they way they lost the war is the have korea splited, thats how they lost. if its just korea, not north or south. US wouldnt have nuclear threats from the north now would they?

US isn't threatened by North Korean nuclear weapons, as they don't have a delivery system capable of hitting US.  Asia is threatened, not North America.  At best the North Koreans  _MIGHT_  be able to hit part of Alaska.  And that is a stretch.

Also, Korea was split at the end of WWII, not by the Korean war.  The US/UN mission in the Korean war was to keep North Korea from taking control of South Korea.  Mission Accomplished.

Again, get a clue.  Read a book.

Last edited by whittsend (2005-12-29 12:18:41)

Jingotsu wrote:

Canada has an outstanding Army.

OK.

Jingotsu wrote:

I am a Captain in that Army.

Hmm.  I have my doubts.

Jingotsu wrote:

It's been proven that Canada has better training than the U.S.

One would expect a Captain to phrase that a bit more diplomatically.  In any case, that's a pretty bold statement, care to back it up?  WHICH training?  Ever been to JRTC?  NTC?  JOTC (Doesn't exist anymore)?  Benning?  Bragg?  Drum?

Jingotsu wrote:

We are currently in Afghanistan helping other countries search for that Son of a bitch Osama.

Thank you.

Jingotsu wrote:

So don't any one say Canada has a shitty Military. You'd better not say any country has a shitty Military until you've enlisted and served at least 2 years.

I have 12 years in; my only issue with Canada's military is its size.  And Captains don't enlist, they are commissioned.  Oops.

Last edited by whittsend (2005-12-29 13:11:34)

Jingotsu wrote:

You idiot. I enlisted when I was 18. I've risen up through the ranks. I am talking about ARMY training. Not the Marines, not the Air Force, not the Navy. ARMY.

And I don't care if you have doubts about me being a Captain or not. You don't hold any meaning over my life. Do I care what you believe what I say? Not a single bit.

Yes.  Army.  12 Years of it.  2 Combat tours.

I'll say it again.  Officers don't enlist, they are commissioned. 

I noticed you aren't in a hurry to discuss your vaunted training.  "ARMY training" isn't very descriptive.

If you are a Captain, I'm a General.

Last edited by whittsend (2005-12-29 13:26:49)

The nature of Canada's military is to provide the infrastructure necessary to train a large amount of troops in a short time period.  We don't believe (we being a substancial possibly majority myself and political leaders) that spending more than half of the federal budget on military makes sense for the people of Canada.  We'd rather have health care and education (not just military training) and so forth.  Our population is only around 30 million or so.  We want highly trainned individuals to train those that are necessary for a real confrontation.  Read the Great War and WW2.  Because we want an ecconomically efficient military, we don't have many 'elite units' instead we up the level of our basic units. JTF2 and other special units draw their members from the regular divisions.  Were the US marines draw their members from the general public.  They are two approches each serves it's country best.  I am not a military person, although I tried to get into RMC, the Royal Military College and failed at leadership training.  I'm sure every organization has its failures and members of those organizations that are posting here complain about them all day with their colleagues and then ignore them when comparing themselves to some other unit.  It's natural don't feel guilty just remember, every unit has faliures, no unit has been unanamously fair to its prisoners, no units are free from bad commanders or idiots of every rank and every unit has something to be proud of.

Tarasque wrote:

I would debate that the US spec forces and it's branches are the most adaptable to an all round war operations. Barly due to the fact they've been operating everywhere with that experience. And as the world stands today they pretty mutch have to be a jack of all trades.

I'd punt that the NZ Army - in particular the NZSAS are up there in terms of adaptability - simply because they are underfunded and understaffed. We dont have all the cool toys for our chaps that the septics and even the aussies have ( only just replaced our Vietnam era M113s with the LAV). We also have a national identuity with getting your head down and getting things done with what is to hand ( the No. 8 wire mentality if you please). Our troops are in Afganistan on a reconstruction (regular army) and special forces role - Dubya issued a presidential citation to the NZSAS for their work in Afganistan.

Our SAS  HAVE to be the "jack of all trades" because there is noone else.


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