Towelly
It's A State Of Mind
+399|6805|Your attic
HL2 is by far the most complete game I've ever played.

Any release date contemplated for BM:S stryyker?
Major.League.Infidel
Make Love and War
+303|6693|Communist Republic of CA, USA

frankyman_88 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

FEAR > HL2 in effects, sound, and gameplay.  HL2 scaled pretty well, I'll give it that much, but compared to FEAR, there's too many gaps in the action.
Whatever mate, you can't appreciate a real game. Sure the sound may be a tad better but the combat and weapons system is so dodgy and run of the mill, how can you even compare that to Half Life 2's wide variety of guns, especially the gravity gun. This opens up a whole new level of gameplay and makes the game that much more immersive, for example; can u pick up cans and throw them at the enemies head, or use pieces of metal for barricades in FEAR? I don't think so. "Oh, but FEAR has bullet time!" you might say; bullet time is one of the most overused techniques in games and movies and is nothing original at all, whereas half-life 2's gravity gun is a very original idea and is implemented extremely well into the gameplay. for example, you MUST utilize the gravity gun in the game to succeed, however in FEAR you can run and gun the whole way without ever having to tap the CTRL button. Half Life 2 never once uses a 3rd person cut scene to further the storyline, unlike FEAR which features several where the player is not present. This adds to the storyline of the game immensely makes it all the more compelling. Half-Life 2 graphics>FEAR Graphics because; 1. It supports HDR lighting. 2. The textures are higher resolution. 3.Characters are modelled more effectively and amazingly detailed, just look at Alyx's face(from HL2) compared to Paxton Fettels(from FEAR), there is significantly more realism. The Source engine is perhaps the most effective, resourceful and streamlined engine available today, which makes any game on it a cut above others of lower quality. I think this is about the last of the criticisms i have to make, however i will post if i find more
Having played and beat both multiple times, I like FEAR more.  Yes the Gravity Gun is pretty original, but the atmosphere of FEAR drew me in a lot more than HL2.  It could be the more realistic gun battles (Not in the sense of what was used, but how it was implemented).  Yes HL2 is longer, but I was a lot more compelled to finish FEAR than HL2.  I'm generally not scared by "Horror" movies and games, but playing FEAR at 2 in the morning in a dark room scared the shit out of me.  It doesn't use cheap gimmicks like stuff popping out at you, but rather the atmosphere is just.....Freaky as hell.  Oh and FEAR only has 1 cutscene your not directly involved in (The opening).  And I must say HL1 slays HL2 (and FEAR).
laughing_boy_2006
Member
+3|6518|Rockhampton, Queens, Australia
fear suks doonga 2 w000000000000000000000t
Major.League.Infidel
Make Love and War
+303|6693|Communist Republic of CA, USA

laughing_boy_2006 wrote:

well i think that bf2 bf2142 are THE PWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAGE they are the ultimate fps. i love games that are like run out blast the fuking hell out of everything with a red tag. And i realy realy realy REALY!!!!!!!!! H8 RPG'S CAN GO TO HELLL  no i dnt h8 em that bad but i preffer the shoot the fuking hell out of everything mwhahahahahahaha



hl2...suk my balls:)
What language was that?  How old are you? Have you played HL2?  You can't really compare it's single player to 2142 or BF2
laughing_boy_2006
Member
+3|6518|Rockhampton, Queens, Australia
well fyi iam 2142 yrs old  and yes i have played hl2 at frankyman_88's house and i got kiks out of hit people ova the head wif the tv mwhahahaha.
and i play online not singleplayer

oh lol and ur username offends me
hehe
frankyman_88
I <3 J.C.
+29|6770|QLD, australia

Major.League.Infidel wrote:

What language was that?  How old are you? Have you played HL2?  You can't really compare it's single player to 2142 or BF2
Lol i think it was english...i think. Perhaps he has never left his mental asylum for long enough to learn proper english after being put there for literally shooting the "fucking hell" out of everything he sees. Just joking, but since you are new we would like you to understand that bf2s forums are a place for communicating sensibly and not posting useless shit.
laughing_boy_2006
Member
+3|6518|Rockhampton, Queens, Australia
okokok im seriousnow i was being silly yea i think that everything in hl2 and 1 is excellent i have played b4 and i think its amazing. but i just dnt like rpg prolly sum braindammage or sumtin i cnt figure em out... neway oh and i think source is the best game engine and it pwn ea netime frikin ea...
frankyman_88
I <3 J.C.
+29|6770|QLD, australia

laughing_boy_2006 wrote:

well fyi iam 2142 yrs old  and yes i have played hl2 at frankyman_88's house and i got kiks out of hit people ova the head wif the tv mwhahahaha.and i play online not singleplayer
I sincerely apologize for introducing my friend to the forums, now could someone please BAN HIM thankyou
laughing_boy_2006
Member
+3|6518|Rockhampton, Queens, Australia
communicating sensibly theres a news flash
laughing_boy_2006
Member
+3|6518|Rockhampton, Queens, Australia
yea bf2 pwns em all
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6989|Noizyland

stryyker wrote:

Ty wrote:

I am forever thankful to Stryyker for giving me his Steam login/password so I could play HL2 and HL2 Episode 1.
Expect the same treatment for Episode II/Portals, if you wish
Well y'know I do still remember your usename and password.
Anyway I think I'll be getting Episode 2. It'll save time, I'll just pop over to your account whenever I need to replay #2 and #2.1.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
bullit
Tank Troll
+71|6904|London, UK

Big McLargehuge wrote:

Good to see another fan of Half-Life 2. Now go buy HL2 Episode one and have even more fun. And don't forget about Half-Life 2 Episode Two.
Who said anything about buying it?
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6868
I didn't like the 'story' of HL2 one bit. Basically, it's one massive detour where every time you're about to take the quick way some combine's cat steps on his keyboard and destroys whatever easy way you had to get from point A to B, and then you spend half the game driving there instead.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
seymorebutts443
Ready for combat
+211|6810|Belchertown Massachusetts, USA
the driving parts of the game were excellent, i love splattering my buggy with antlion guts to give it that nice barf color.
daffytag
cheese-it!
+104|6790
HL2 is good, but its replayability isn't so good. Play it once every few months and it can soon feel old.
TigerXtrm
Death by Indecency
+51|6583|Netherlands

Half Life 2 is by FAR the best FPS that was ever made. No other FPS I know has a perfect combination of story, action and graphics like HL2 does. BUT, the Half Life series is a game you will not be able to appreciate if you don't like stories in games. If Bf2 kind of shooters do it for you, then HL2 is nothing for you probably. My friend for instance is like that, he tried playing Half Life 2 and hated it because he didn't catch on to the story and everything was pretty random to him.

Levels I liked most are Nova Prospect and of course Ravenholm (playing in the dark at 3 in the night with headphones on... seriously it's creepy ).

Half Life FTW!!

Tiger
Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|6900|Espoo, Finland
It's not a bad game but definately over hyped.
I can honestly say that I was dissapointed with it when it came out. I had waited for it for a long time, and it didn't feel like anything special...

I actually got bored with the campaing and quit it before finnishing.
Shadow893
lel
+75|6907|England

leetkyle wrote:

HL2 is fantastic. What level are you at?
I'm at the level where you just get back through the portal, which for some reason took two weeks to get back.

I think its called follow the freeman or something like that.

*racks brains*
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6660|The Land of Scott Walker
Edit: This is for frankyman

It boils down to personal preference, but here’s my take in detail. 

Weapons:
For me, most FPS games come down the weapons and the enemies.  If the guns aren’t fun to shoot and have good sound and the enemies are lame, then forget it.  Gravity gun = yay, big deal, for my style of play.  I don’t want to throw stuff, I want to fill the enemy full of lead using various deadly weapons.  Being forced to do anything in gameplay annoys me.  I like to pick my own way to take out the enemy and reach the next objective.  If you liked the gravity gun, cool, glad you had fun with it and it was very original.  I did enjoy throwing the saw blades at the zombies.   Zing, no head.

HL2 weapons were all unsatisfying for me to shoot because all the weapon sounds were simply too weak.  The rocket launcher sounded really dumb, more like a grenade launcher.  SMG and Combine gun had the same problem, too quiet.  In contrast, FEAR takes full advantage of EAX sound in its environment and weapon sounds.  The list of great FEAR weapons contains a quick firing SMG, the sweet shotgun (oh so fun blowing enemies in half at close range), assault rifle, pistols (dual pistols available), sniper rifle, railgun, and rocket launcher (who’s rockets actually roar out of the launcher).  The reloading animations are also superb on FEAR and the EAX allows you to pick up the sound of the brass hitting rolling on the floor and ground.  It’s even better with a good quality headset.       

Graphics:
I’ll give you HDR lighting, but it doesn’t make a significant difference in the game.  In FEAR, when a fightfight erupts in a room, sparks fly off all metal surfaces, chunks fly out of the wall throwing drywall dust in the air and cardboard boxes get shredded and the fragments hang in the air.  FEAR might not have HDR, but the light reflection look very nice as do the shadows.  Did you play FEAR on max settings?  If not, you missed some of the great detail. 

Gameplay:
If you didn’t like the weapons in FEAR, ok, that’s personal preference, but you cannot say there’s nothing original in FEAR.  It was the first FPS I’ve played that contained a high level of suspense by using music in conjunction with surprise elements.  Not a song kicking in to warn you of upcoming danger, but an orchestra hit like in the movies right when the action starts.  The firefights are anything but run of the mill.  No other FPS has firefights as fierce as FEAR - not Far Cry, not HL2, not R6: Lockdown, not COD2, not any other single player I’ve played.  Only multiplayer matches of 2142 eclipse the amount of bullets flying around and chaos. 

One cannot just run and gun all the way through FEAR, unless you dial down the difficulty level.  I cranked up the difficulty to have more of a tactical challenge.  For me, the action in HL2 was too scripted, much like HL1.  (HL1 was the best FPS of its day) The action doesn’t start until you reach a certain trigger area and it plays out the same every time.  That’s not the case in FEAR, because the AI reacts to my decisions, not scripting.  When I attack from a different point in the room with a different weapon, the enemy responds differently and counterattacks in a new way.  If I throw a nade, they take cover and shoot from there.  If I rush them, the move to flank to get interlocking fire on me instead of just standing there waiting to be killed. The AI in HL2 is almost pathetic in comparison. 

Only the faces on the characters are better in HL2.  What really matters is the combat modeling of a game and in HL2 the enemies just flop over . . . boring.  In FEAR, I can injure their shooting arm, blow off their arms, legs or head, rip their body in half with a close range shotgun blast, etc etc.  FEAR characters lose blood more realistically and HL2 has very little of that at all.  Also, if I wound the enemy or shoot their weapon out of their hand, then they’ll try to drag themselves behind cover and shoot blindly with their sidearm out of desperation.  That is just awesome and no enemy does that in HL2.  I found FEAR much more immersive because of the atmosphere drew me in, the story is more intriguing, and the enemies are more intelligent.     

Major.League.Infidel wrote:

Having played and beat both multiple times, I like FEAR more.  Yes the Gravity Gun is pretty original, but the atmosphere of FEAR drew me in a lot more than HL2.  It could be the more realistic gun battles (Not in the sense of what was used, but how it was implemented).  Yes HL2 is longer, but I was a lot more compelled to finish FEAR than HL2.  I'm generally not scared by "Horror" movies and games, but playing FEAR at 2 in the morning in a dark room scared the shit out of me.  It doesn't use cheap gimmicks like stuff popping out at you, but rather the atmosphere is just.....Freaky as hell.  Oh and FEAR only has 1 cutscene your not directly involved in (The opening).  And I must say HL1 slays HL2 (and FEAR).
Right there with you, MajorLeague.  I played late at night with my headphones on and with EAX the sound surrounds you and the suspense startled me and made me jump a couple times.  Especially when everything is quiet and I’m moving through the room with my weapon ready, suddenly the ninjas burst in from the roof at the same time the music comes in.  Then just as soon as they drop in, they run away to cover and the suspense background keeps going.  Most fun I’ve ever had in a singleplayer FPS, period.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-01-24 10:50:59)

naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|6776|Southampton, UK

Stingray24 wrote:

Right there with you, MajorLeague.  I played late at night with my headphones on and with EAX the sound surrounds you and the suspense startled me and made me jump a couple times.  Especially when everything is quiet and I’m moving through the room with my weapon ready, suddenly the ninjas burst in from the roof at the same time the music comes in.  Then just as soon as they drop in, they run away to cover and the suspense background keeps going.  Most fun I’ve ever had in a singleplayer FPS, period.
I've only ever done that a couple of times, I even turn the lights off and shut the door. Almost was sitting in shit by the end of the night game.
ShadowFoX
I Hate Claymores
+109|6746
What I liked about FEAR was the AI. Most brilliant ive ever seen. Another thing about FEAR was the crap flying around as bullets are whizzing around. FEAR and HL2 are great games but you cant say that one is better then the other since they dont really fall into the same grouping by the main point of the game. Both have their flaws like FEAR with its goddamn repetition the whole game took place in what basically was an office complex with variations.

Oh and if you are interested or confused by Half Life storyline id suggest reading some of this. IT contains a lot of spoilers so be aware. Exellent write up by this fellar here. http://members.shaw.ca/halflifestory/
seymorebutts443
Ready for combat
+211|6810|Belchertown Massachusetts, USA

Shadow893 wrote:

leetkyle wrote:

HL2 is fantastic. What level are you at?
I'm at the level where you just get back through the portal, which for some reason took two weeks to get back.

I think its called follow the freeman or something like that.

*racks brains*
Anticitizen One, then Follow Freeman
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6986|PNW

Stingray24 wrote:

Gameplay:
If you didn’t like the weapons in FEAR, ok, that’s personal preference, but you cannot say there’s nothing original in FEAR.  It was the first FPS I’ve played that contained a high level of suspense by using music in conjunction with surprise elements.  Not a song kicking in to warn you of upcoming danger, but an orchestra hit like in the movies right when the action starts.  The firefights are anything but run of the mill.  No other FPS has firefights as fierce as FEAR - not Far Cry, not HL2, not R6: Lockdown, not COD2, not any other single player I’ve played.  Only multiplayer matches of 2142 eclipse the amount of bullets flying around and chaos. 

One cannot just run and gun all the way through FEAR, unless you dial down the difficulty level.  I cranked up the difficulty to have more of a tactical challenge.  For me, the action in HL2 was too scripted, much like HL1.  (HL1 was the best FPS of its day) The action doesn’t start until you reach a certain trigger area and it plays out the same every time.  That’s not the case in FEAR, because the AI reacts to my decisions, not scripting.  When I attack from a different point in the room with a different weapon, the enemy responds differently and counterattacks in a new way.  If I throw a nade, they take cover and shoot from there.  If I rush them, the move to flank to get interlocking fire on me instead of just standing there waiting to be killed. The AI in HL2 is almost pathetic in comparison.
Thief series, my friend. As to the orchestral hits in F.E.A.R., they were decent, but the music was just not very memorable. But you're right about the irritation of music warning you of danger, as was present in VTM: Bloodlines (a Source title, though not available from Steam).

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-01-24 13:11:52)

frankyman_88
I <3 J.C.
+29|6770|QLD, australia
wow stingray, you got me here . Just a few things I would like to point out before i give up totally admit that FEAR is the best game ever in existence.

Stingray24 wrote:

Weapons:
For me, most FPS games come down the weapons and the enemies.  If the guns aren’t fun to shoot and have good sound and the enemies are lame, then forget it.  Gravity gun = yay, big deal, for my style of play.  I don’t want to throw stuff, I want to fill the enemy full of lead using various deadly weapons.  Being forced to do anything in gameplay annoys me.  I like to pick my own way to take out the enemy and reach the next objective.  If you liked the gravity gun, cool, glad you had fun with it and it was very original.  I did enjoy throwing the saw blades at the zombies. big_smile  Zing, no head.
I find that in terms of finding your own way to finish an objective half-life and FEAR are both very similar; You have to turn this switch to open this door, eg. This is basically the only way to further any type of storyline in fps games.

StingrayHL2 wrote:

weapons were all unsatisfying for me to shoot because all the weapon sounds were simply too weak.  The rocket launcher sounded really dumb, more like a grenade launcher.  SMG and Combine gun had the same problem, too quiet.  In contrast, FEAR takes full advantage of EAX sound in its environment and weapon sounds.  The list of great FEAR weapons contains a quick firing SMG, the sweet shotgun (oh so fun blowing enemies in half at close range), assault rifle, pistols (dual pistols available), sniper rifle, railgun, and rocket launcher (who’s rockets actually roar out of the launcher).  The reloading animations are also superb on FEAR and the EAX allows you to pick up the sound of the brass hitting rolling on the floor and ground.  It’s even better with a good quality headset.
Well i don't know about you but i have 5.1 surround sound and the combine AR on half-life sounds pretty damn satisfying to me . all the other weapons sound pretty crappy though, oh I almost forgot the magnum! That thing sounds pretty good too    

Stingray24 wrote:

Graphics:
I’ll give you HDR lighting, but it doesn’t make a significant difference in the game.  In FEAR, when a fightfight erupts in a room, sparks fly off all metal surfaces, chunks fly out of the wall throwing drywall dust in the air and cardboard boxes get shredded and the fragments hang in the air.  FEAR might not have HDR, but the light reflection look very nice as do the shadows.  Did you play FEAR on max settings?  If not, you missed some of the great detail.
I play FEAR on full graphics on 1280x1024 and full sound until recently when my soundcard chucked a fit, but I'm getting a new one today hopefully w00t. The ability to light up a room in FEAR with weapons fire is impressive indeed, especially if you are wondering if that freaking little girl is sitting there waiting for you . When I play FEAR it feels like all the colors are based from the same pastel; all variants of grey, which makes the game more repetitve. The shadows also look a bit strange in some parts in my opinion.

Stingray24 wrote:

Gameplay:
If you didn’t like the weapons in FEAR, ok, that’s personal preference, but you cannot say there’s nothing original in FEAR.  It was the first FPS I’ve played that contained a high level of suspense by using music in conjunction with surprise elements.  Not a song kicking in to warn you of upcoming danger, but an orchestra hit like in the movies right when the action starts.  The firefights are anything but run of the mill.  No other FPS has firefights as fierce as FEAR - not Far Cry, not HL2, not R6: Lockdown, not COD2, not any other single player I’ve played.  Only multiplayer matches of 2142 eclipse the amount of bullets flying around and chaos.
Yes ok FEAR is a fairly original game, however the thing that gets me is the level design; its just corridor after corridor(given i havent finished it yet, so correct me if I'm wrong) with no driving at all. And I would say that the firefights in quake 4 are on par with those in FEAR, which i will give you are monstorously good.

Stingray24 wrote:

One cannot just run and gun all the way through FEAR, unless you dial down the difficulty level.  I cranked up the difficulty to have more of a tactical challenge.  For me, the action in HL2 was too scripted, much like HL1.  (HL1 was the best FPS of its day) The action doesn’t start until you reach a certain trigger area and it plays out the same every time.  That’s not the case in FEAR, because the AI reacts to my decisions, not scripting.  When I attack from a different point in the room with a different weapon, the enemy responds differently and counterattacks in a new way.  If I throw a nade, they take cover and shoot from there.  If I rush them, the move to flank to get interlocking fire on me instead of just standing there waiting to be killed. The AI in HL2 is almost pathetic in comparison.
The AI in FEAR is where the game really shines, however if you have ultra fast reflexes i guess you could do the whole thing without slo-mo. I know i couldn't

Stingray24 wrote:

Only the faces on the characters are better in HL2.  What really matters is the combat modeling of a game and in HL2 the enemies just flop over . . . boring.  In FEAR, I can injure their shooting arm, blow off their arms, legs or head, rip their body in half with a close range shotgun blast, etc etc.  FEAR characters lose blood more realistically and HL2 has very little of that at all.  Also, if I wound the enemy or shoot their weapon out of their hand, then they’ll try to drag themselves behind cover and shoot blindly with their sidearm out of desperation.  That is just awesome and no enemy does that in HL2.  I found FEAR much more immersive because of the atmosphere drew me in, the story is more intriguing, and the enemies are more intelligent.
But what about the interactivity of the environment in Half-life 2? you can jump on things, pull things off the wall, use them, block hallways(or unblock them) wheras in FEAR the best you can interact with your environment is blowing out a few windows or putting chips in doors . And I really found the story more immersive in Half-life 2, but i guess everyone is different. Well i guess thats about it, thankyou for this conversation, +1.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6935|California

Towelly wrote:

Any release date contemplated for BM:S stryyker?
The Dev team thinks late this year, due to some code-over issues.

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