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HaiBai wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

errr.  What do you mean by 'fuck around'?  That's not what I want.  I want time to continue studying programming and reverse engineering because that's what I want to fucking to for the rest of my life.  Those two things are going to get me my paycheck.  Instead, I need to study Hamlet.  That's great and all but literary analysis isn't going to do make my life any better.

It's like trying to tell Mark Zuckerburg to not "fuck around" with starting up Facebook because it had a negative effect on his academics.

im not talking about fucking partying and making sure "i have the best time of my life".  i'm talking about something that will make a difference.

You are 17. Stick your dick into a girl and then come back and tell me you know what you want to do in life and have all the answers.

shut the fuck up.  i know what going to be doing for the rest of my fucking life.  there's nothing else i want to do apart from programming/reverse engineering exceptfor owning my own business.  just because you're in college majoring in a worthless degree that is going to give you a shitty job and where you don't know what the fuck you're doing with your life doesn't mean that applies to everybody.

Mutantbear wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

I decided to take 5 AP classes this semester and now, I simply have no time to pursue my passions, programming and reverse engineering.

HaiBai wrote:

I'm forced to fill in all my free-time with academics.

because if i want to maximize my chances of getting into the best school possible, i'm forced to take 5 AP classes to compete with all of the other crazy students, regardless of how the things i learn in that class help me later in life.

come on, i know you can put 2 and 2 together on your own

Macbeth wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Ermmmm
China was already far behind the West by the time the Europeans got to it. In everything from weapons to the arts. You can't seriously blame China's stagnation on the Euros at all.

I said rich, as in money wise. China and india was pretty fucking rich, but the brits were just smarter and know how to exploit the situation.

High populations and nice caches of resources. I know. You would think with all that "focus on education" and shit you are talking up about Asians those groups of people wouldn't get "outsmarted" by the English...

Do you see how dumb your argument is?

"In China and India they focus on education and stuff. They are also really rich places. They were only assbackwards because the British outsmarted them and stuck their cocks into the countries ass. How really rich areas got assraped and outsmarted despite their educational values I dunno lol"

For fuck sake

you do realize just because china is highly focused on education doesn't necessarily mean it has a highly productive or innovative society right? confucious educational scheme has always been focusing on rote memorization instead of socratic method of questioning.

If you want to know why china had its huge downfall, you can blame their arrogance for being the "middle kingdom" where the world revolves around them and didnt realize or care about the outside world, why do you think China never established colonies when they had the largest navies in the 15th century? its a lot to do with its bureaucratic nature and fear of authority. also opium war kekekekeked the chinese.

microsoft and facebook are big today because gates and zuckerberg were good businessmen, not that college is shit.

HaiBai wrote:

Miggle wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

because if i want to maximize my chances of getting into the best school possible, i'm forced to take 5 AP classes to compete with all of the other crazy students, regardless of how the things i learn in that class help me later in life.

come on, i know you can put 2 and 2 together on your own

and your polack parientes are going to put you through the best college? What are they going to think when you drop out because it's too much work and it's just like the APs in High School?

lol.  why would i drop out?  i have straight A's at the moment, along with a 4.7 gpa.  i can handle AP classes, i just have no time to pursue my passion

Im betting youre gonna burn out pretty quick in uni.

HaiBai wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

microsoft and facebook are big today because gates and zuckerberg were good businessmen, not that college is shit.

yeah, but if bill gates and mark zuckerberg decided to stay focused on academics rather then spending time on their passion, where exactly would they be today?

theyre exceptions rather than the rule. for every succesful college dropout theres hundreds of failed ones. if you have the opportunity than take it, you can always go back to college

Cybargs wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

Miggle wrote:

and your polack parientes are going to put you through the best college? What are they going to think when you drop out because it's too much work and it's just like the APs in High School?

lol.  why would i drop out?  i have straight A's at the moment, along with a 4.7 gpa.  i can handle AP classes, i just have no time to pursue my passion

Im betting youre gonna burn out pretty quick in uni.

maybe, but i can't see it being that much harder than my life right now.  if it is, i'll adapt.

besides, everyone always says that.

8th grader to 7th grader: "8th grade is sooo much harder"
junior to sophomore: "junior year is so much harder man, we have the ACT!!"
senior to junior: "are you kidding?  we have college apps t worry about."
college undergrad to senior: "you're gonna have so much work in uni.  you're probably gonna burn out"

and this continues all the way to the top of the food chain

Cybargs wrote:

im saying you'll burn out because you're taking 5 APs this semester. I know so many kids that busted their ass in high school and burn out in uni

A fuck can only be given for so long

We need to refocus out energies not on producing the most highly-qualified generation in history, but the most highly skilled and highly satisfied. Only then can we really start to change the world.

We have the most qualified and least skilled generation ever.

Writing an app is not skilled, designing a microchip is.

My degree consisted of two weeks a year of intensive exams. The whole year of study had to be remembered at one time. For finals the entire three years had to be remembered.

My sisters recent degree was entirely modular and either coursework done at home or exams which were mostly multiple choice

Kids today expect to walk into management roles because they've been told endlessly how awesome and talented they are while they've never really been challenged.
At the same time we have graduates soldering components onto circuit boards and minding glue dispensers where I work.

Looks like another lost generation, and I can't see it getting a lot better. Maybe the smarter ones will go back to trades training.

HaiBai wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

You don't have time to fuck around because of your AP classes? You poor thing. My heart breaks for you.

"It's just that to maximize my changes of getting into a good college, I'm forced to fill in all my free-time with academics.  When am I supposed to develop the skills that are truly important to me?"

Why can't I have my cake and eat it too? I want to get into a good college and get a good job ( because the two totally go hand in hand) but I don't want to bust my ass to do it. I also don't want to miss ""the best time of my life" in college while also getting great grades and a dream job.






Totally not delusional

errr.  What do you mean by 'fuck around'?  That's not what I want.  I want time to continue studying programming and reverse engineering because that's what I want to fucking to for the rest of my life.  Those two things are going to get me my paycheck.  Instead, I need to study Hamlet.  That's great and all but literary analysis isn't going to do make my life any better.

It's like trying to tell Mark Zuckerburg to not "fuck around" with starting up Facebook because it had a negative effect on his academics.

im not talking about fucking partying and making sure "i have the best time of my life".  i'm talking about something that will make a difference.

How is copying someone elses work making a difference? You think you will make money in 'reverse engineering'? Ok, if you ignore every single patent law on the books. Who's going to pay you? Your hacker friends? Pshh.

Cybargs wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

microsoft and facebook are big today because gates and zuckerberg were good businessmen, not that college is shit.

yeah, but if bill gates and mark zuckerberg decided to stay focused on academics rather then spending time on their passion, where exactly would they be today?

theyre exceptions rather than the rule. for every succesful college dropout theres hundreds of failed ones. if you have the opportunity than take it, you can always go back to college

true, but at the same time, i'm inclined to think that these failed startups were still helpful learning experiences for their futures.  it's something that can help them during the next startup they attempt, and it's simply not something academics can teach you because you need to experience it for youself.

Cybargs wrote:

im saying you'll burn out because you're taking 5 APs this semester. I know so many kids that busted their ass in high school and burn out in uni

maybe...  one thing that might separate me from the others is that nobody's forcing me or really even pressuring me to do well in school.  i know a lot of kids at my school who are forced to do well in school by their parents.  my parents let me do what i want.  i guess they want me to learn from my own mistakes and to make my own decisions.  i averaged about a 2.7 gpa during freshman and sophomore year, and i grew tired of being a lazy student and i changed my entire life around.  i think i have an advantage over the kids who's parents always controlled every aspect of their life.

but still...  it's hard to tell.  i guess i'll just have to go out and see for myself

Jay wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

You don't have time to fuck around because of your AP classes? You poor thing. My heart breaks for you.


Why can't I have my cake and eat it too? I want to get into a good college and get a good job ( because the two totally go hand in hand) but I don't want to bust my ass to do it. I also don't want to miss ""the best time of my life" in college while also getting great grades and a dream job.






Totally not delusional

errr.  What do you mean by 'fuck around'?  That's not what I want.  I want time to continue studying programming and reverse engineering because that's what I want to fucking to for the rest of my life.  Those two things are going to get me my paycheck.  Instead, I need to study Hamlet.  That's great and all but literary analysis isn't going to do make my life any better.

It's like trying to tell Mark Zuckerburg to not "fuck around" with starting up Facebook because it had a negative effect on his academics.

im not talking about fucking partying and making sure "i have the best time of my life".  i'm talking about something that will make a difference.

How is copying someone elses work making a difference? You think you will make money in 'reverse engineering'? Ok, if you ignore every single patent law on the books. Who's going to pay you? Your hacker friends? Pshh.

i don't think you understand what reverse engineering is.

first of all, reverse engineering is completely legal.  second of all, there's no point in reverse engineering something that's patented because something that's patented requires a public disclosure of the invention.

anyway, i don't care about the above because that's not what i plan on doing.  reverse engineers are helpful because they can help with security.  i'm not only talking about protecting computers from viruses and trojans, but i'm also talking about how companies try to prevent their software from being cracked and reverse engineered by other reverse engineers.

who do you think creates anti-virus software?  what about the people who work on punkbuster and VAC?  how about themida, armadillo, and other packers/protectors that are specifically made to prevent people from reverse engineering programs?  who designs the anti-crack protections on photoshop?

if you think nobody's going to pay me for the above, you don't know what you're talking about

was just googling about the reverse engineering career.  look what i found:

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Reverse+En … 4130%2C000

for example: ffs, i have half of the requirements to apply for this job:

http://www.sologig.com/INTL/JobSeeker/J … NDEEDORGSG

You MUST have for this position:

-3 years minimum experience in the following areas:
-Experience working with debuggers and disassemblers
-Experience developing code in x86 and x86_64 assembly0 (sort of, but i'm not competent enough. yet.)
-Experience developing code in C for Windows and Linux
-Experience with PE file formats
-B.S. Computer Science, Electrical Engineering or related discipline
-Top Secret, Security Clearance with Full Scope Polygraph

Preferred for the position:

-Experience with malware analysis
-Experience with vulnerability analysis
-Experience with cryptographic systems (sort of, but i doubt i know enough to meet their requirements)
-Familiarity with binary obfuscation techniques such as packers

i mean, they're paying 100k-150k for that.  i'd love to be able to sit at my computer and reverse engineer programs all day.  it's my dream job

Last edited by HaiBai (2011-11-17 16:00:06)