You know you can burn those movies for yourself and remove all those warning screens? I'm not saying burn a friends copy, burn your own copy as backup. That way you have the original and don't have to sit through that copyright shit.Parker wrote:
you might want to let the FBI know, cause they warn me about illegally copying movies every single time i watch one.
The FBI may say so, but I'd like to see a court case where someone has been found guilty of theft by downloading a movie.Parker wrote:
really?ghettoperson wrote:
We've been over this, from a legal viewpoint it isn't stealing.
you might want to let the FBI know, cause they warn me about illegally copying movies every single time i watch one.
yes.ghettoperson wrote:
Ever photocopied something?
no.ghettoperson wrote:
Then in all likelihood you've done the exact same thing you're trying to take the moral high ground over.
i photocopy business/legal documents....not the artwork i have hanging in my house.
thats the difference.
moral high ground?
god damn right...
i may be a lot of things, but im not a thief.
so is it still OK if i upload it and let everyone else have my "backup copy"?TheAussieReaper wrote:
You know you can burn those movies for yourself and remove all those warning screens? I'm not saying burn a friends copy, burn your own copy as backup. That way you have the original and don't have to sit through that copyright shit.Parker wrote:
you might want to let the FBI know, cause they warn me about illegally copying movies every single time i watch one.
not at all.ghettoperson wrote:
But were I to go to my library, and photocopy a page from a book that I needed for an assignment (my uni library has books we can't remove due to the cost of them) I am stealing according to you.
I agree, however technically speaking, by doing so I am infringing on someone Intellectual Property in the exact same way as if I were to download a movie.Parker wrote:
not at all.ghettoperson wrote:
But were I to go to my library, and photocopy a page from a book that I needed for an assignment (my uni library has books we can't remove due to the cost of them) I am stealing according to you.
library:
a place set apart to contain books, periodicals, and other material for reading, viewing, listening, study, or reference, as a room, set of rooms, or building where books may be read or borrowed.
that is what you are meant to do there.
the library purchased the book (or it was donated), they didnt steal it....so no, the person who wrote that book, along with the publisher were paid in full for their work.ghettoperson wrote:
I agree, however technically speaking, by doing so I am infringing on someone Intellectual Property in the exact same way as if I were to download a movie.
The morally-crippled evaded the tea tax.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
It doesn't give the consumer the right to set prices. If the developer doesn't want to listen to what the market is telling them, fine, their loss. Skewing the market by reaping the benefits of no payment doesn't help anyone but the morally crippled, selfish pirate.
You've watched that stylized ad they play in movies too much.nukchebi0 wrote:
Hey, I don't want to pay for that car, because its way too much, and breaks down often. But still, it looks cool and I want it. I think I'll just go steal instead, because I deserve to have it.
Jumping to conclusions makes me laugh.Reciprocity wrote:
Cheap people justifying theft makes me laugh. especially when they reference history they obviously don't understand.
Sneaking into a cinema reminds me more of wrangling extra M&M's out of a vending machine than trying a game before you slap $50 on it. I'm sorry if people still don't like it, but not everybody (I still buy my titles and swallow any remorse later) can afford to play along.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
It's no different from sneaking into the cinema without paying.
The act of sneaking in is wrong, yes.
But, do the film makers still make enough money to operate as businesses (and therefore make a profit) from the paying public?
Yes, they do.
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Uh...no. I was showing how absurd the "it isn't worth buying, so I'll just torrent it instead" line of thought is.un wrote:
You've watched that stylized ad they play in movies too much.
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A PUPPY.
Not everybody can play along in the game of accruing luxury cars, either. Does that mean people go out and steal them for that reason?I'm sorry if people still don't like it, but not everybody (I still buy my titles and swallow any remorse later) can afford to play along.
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That's true. But you aren't going to get money from people who have no money, so why aggravate the majority of your paying customers with nagware?nukchebi0 wrote:
I know most of the people arguing in this thread are past that stage in their life, but you have to remember that kids will always exist
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YOU WOULDN'T SHOOT A POLICEMAN, AND THEN STEAL HIS HELMUT.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You've watched that stylized ad they play in movies too much.nukchebi0 wrote:
Hey, I don't want to pay for that car, because its way too much, and breaks down often. But still, it looks cool and I want it. I think I'll just go steal instead, because I deserve to have it.
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A PUPPY.
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A COMPANION CUBE!Cheez wrote:
YOU WOULDN'T SHOOT A POLICEMAN, AND THEN STEAL HIS HELMUT.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You've watched that stylized ad they play in movies too much.nukchebi0 wrote:
Hey, I don't want to pay for that car, because its way too much, and breaks down often. But still, it looks cool and I want it. I think I'll just go steal instead, because I deserve to have it.
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A PUPPY.
Do you honestly think only poor kids torrent games? You are way misled there, if so. Rich kids have money, yet still torrent. Its not an issue of lack of paying ability (as it seems to be as people mature - I notice that most of the non-broke people here in their 20s pirate less frequently).That's true. But you aren't going to get money from people who have no money, so why aggravate the majority of your paying customers with nagware?
and, therefore, so will piracy.nukchebi0 wrote:
kids will always exist
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Difference is for the games industry, the product is all they have. For films not only the box office sells, but the merchandise and the DVD sales later.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Well, it's a case of "well, I'm only costing them XX for this single game".
But, the thing about anti-piracy measures is it's like if cinemas tried to stop people sneaking in by building them inside impregnable fortresses.
It'd piss all the paying customers off.
And the little fuckers would still find some way to sneak in.
Yes we have. Downloading a movie/games/music/... is copyright infringement. Uploading a movie is copyright infringement. Downloading movies is legal in most countries. Uploading is illegal in most countries. Most people would agree that copyright infringement is morally wrong. The law however doesn't care about morals.Parker wrote:
really?ghettoperson wrote:
We've been over this, from a legal viewpoint it isn't stealing.
you might want to let the FBI know, cause they warn me about illegally copying movies every single time i watch one.
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