BF2S Forums Religions of the world Thread

Imagine working hard to have a career, buy a house, and start a family.


Then radicalized Israel drops a bomb on your head because of a war that happened before your parents were even born.


Spawncamped for 70 years.

Minimisation of the Holocaust is probably the wrong angle. There are people alive who were born in Nazi concentration camps, and the generational trauma of so many lives uprooted in such a manner doesn't just go away.

The Holocaust as a shield for Israel, also poor.

I did also mention earlier, again, that Israel ≠ Jews. An important distinction. Using the word with the intent to slur Israel is small-minded and (unlike simply criticising Israel) actually a bit anti-Semitic.

it's been 162 years since the end of the confederacy. the confederacy, not even recognized: lasted for four. 2% of the time that's passed since its end. gift store confederate nostalgia is more historied than the confederacy. different animal than israel and stuff like mussolini whining about heirship to the roman empire or whatever.

I just feel like most reasonable people are able to individually recognize the fact that the Holocaust sucked and shouldn't be used to justify genocidal ideology. That most reasonable people are able to refer to Israel as Israel and not The Jews in the heaviest blanket like they got out of a TED Talk with Henry Ford.

It's funny hearing mention of support for Israel from Jews abroad, specifically. Meanwhile, Israel gets support from nations.

Incredibly insightful

European leaders pledge support for Israel, condemn Hamas and halt Palestinian aid
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/09/12046625 … tinian-aid

Dilbert_X wrote:

Public support for Palestinian rights and sympathy for the Palestinian cause, according to surveys, has been stronger in some European countries than it is in the United States. One poll published in July by the company YouGov found that, of people in European countries with opinions about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there was a greater tendency to side with the Palestinians. The exception was Germany, where respondents were almost evenly split on the issue.

More Europeans are pro-palestine than pro-israel.

Sunak is going to lose the next election and needs to suck up to the US right wing for his next gig.

It is all demographics.

Jews make up a smaller portion of Europe than they do in America. This is especially true in the media centers of NYC and LA. At the same time, Arabs are a small portion of our population but significantly larger portions of Europe's.

There were some articles in Jewish sources about how as America becomes more non-white, support for Israel decreases. Arabs and Hispanics look alike and seeing blown up brown children causes some kind of visceral reaction.

I agree.

Also, as annoying as the campus protest were, retaliating against the college students is just as obnoxious.

That sounds like justification for child abuse.

Maybe not so much justification, as in speculating on contributing factors, that doesn't go so far as to condemn the behavior as it's happening. "Well, he had a tough childhood. His father was very strict and/or alcoholic. Never did get over that." OK but maybe don't give your kid cigarette burns.

Exodus is a literal article of faith and a brand of "Bible fact"/fake news/abuse of history I more often hear about from Christians or western, Christian-raised, and never from any Israelis I've talked to online when politics come up. Maybe an anecdotal consensus, but individually not looking back very far.

Maybe I'm remembering things wrong, but haven't you folded loose biblical storytelling into a disjointed history dialog? I think I remember someone getting called out on that here.

It's probably more of a background national noise. Ask around and you'll probably hear more about attacks and sapper tunnels as justification for stuff than whatever Moses and his crew got up to.

side-related:

Instagram sorry for adding 'terrorist' to some Palestinian user bios
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67169228.amp

'accidental'
'translation error'
lol

SuperJail Warden wrote:

The Bible needs to be rewritten.

We need to get rid of most of the Old Testament stuff. Drop Moses from the curriculum. You starts with Genesis and move onto to Cain and Abel, Noah and the Ark, Abraham, Job and then Songs. We erase as much references to the Jews as we can. They don't come up until we get to the New Testament.

All of the lecture parts of the Bible need to get yanked too. The Bible should read like a big story book. So the letters of Paul, Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes all have to go.

Revelations has got to go too. It's a downer. The concept of the apocalypse and hell all need to go too. I don't need that negativity in my religion. Just end the New Testament with Jesus in heaven saying something supportive.

Bible's been annotated, edited, and adapted plenty. There's probably dozens of illustrated storybook bible series trimmed and contextualized for each grade.

Christian extremists probably aren't very interested in a heavily footnoted Bible with references to current histories and ideas. Or, for that matter, very interested in the Bible at all. They've got their madcap preacher to tell them who to hate.

The Bible (and other such religious texts) should probably be read as artifacts of world heritage. Not because you feel guilty for not, or that your immortal soul is in peril or something. That is not very Buddy Christ.

Israel carried out an air strike in Jenin in the northern West Bank early on Sunday, saying a mosque was being used as a "terrorist compound".

Palestinian Authority officials said two people died when the Al-Ansar mosque was hit.

Although the Israeli military regularly raids targets in the West Bank, it rarely uses air strikes there like it does against Hamas-controlled Gaza.

Pictures from the scene showed rubble and significant damage to the building.

The Israeli military said those killed were from the Hamas and Islamic Jihad groups and were organising an "imminent terror attack".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67186178

This is pure provocation.

US ‘holding back Israel from strike against Hezbollah’

The Israeli government is coming under growing pressure from security establishment hawks to launch a pre-emptive strike on Hezbollah in Lebanon – but is facing strong opposition from the US, which fears a two-front war would risk igniting a major regional conflict.

Since Israel struck back at Gaza after the Hamas attack on 7 October, the Lebanese-based Islamist militia group has repeatedly fired on Israeli settlements, leading to an Israeli evacuation of the northern border, including the town of Kiryat Shmona. The threat of a major Hezbollah offensive led to calls from hawks for a strike at its sizeable arsenal of missiles.

“We want to focus on the Gaza arena, and to finish the job there. On the other hand, we are getting a lot of pressure from the Israeli population in the north,” a senior Israeli security official told the Observer. “People are saying, we cannot live on the northern border, with Hezbollah less than 100 metres from us and that can cross the line in a few minutes and slaughter us.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ … -hezbollah

Maybe, I don't know, make peace with your neighbours?

Israel vows to ‘wipe’ Iran, Hezbollah ‘off face of Earth’ if terror group joins Hamas in war: report
https://nypost.com/2023/10/22/israel-vo … ar-report/

Seems crystal clear Israel is intent on this being the war to end all wars and they're lashing out and provoking in every direction.

We could be in WW3 by the end of the week, all over a 4,000 year old supremacist cult which can't get along with anyone else.