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How many nuclear wars have taken place?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

How many nuclear wars have taken place?

Low IQ take.

anyway, trivia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abo_Elementary_School

Swiss also have a high proliferation of fallout shelters, and I think all new homes are required by law to have one. "Millennials never lived with the threat," lawl.

School shootings are bad (and things should be done), but at least they won't end modern civilization as we know it.

Rick Scott’s Plan to Tax All Americans Is Unpopular, but Other Parts of His Agenda Aren’t

A slim majority of voters (51 percent) — including 62 percent of Democrats and 39 percent of Republicans — oppose Scott’s call to require all Americans to pay federal income tax, which would impose new costs on low earners and retirees.

Scott, who chairs the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said all Americans should “have skin in the game, even if a small amount” when it comes to income tax, specifically referencing the half of Americans he said avoid the levy. Currently, millions of Americans do not pay income taxes because they’re retired, do not make enough money or receive tax credits.

While Scott has moved in the press to add caveats to the proposal, the majority of the electorate’s lowest earners (those from households making less than $50,000 a year) and retirees oppose the measure amid voter concerns about the cost of living.

Excellent idea. Old people on fixed income need to pay some taxes so that they have some SkIn In ThE gAmE. If the lumpenproletariat suddenly had a reason to become politically active, "SkIn In ThE gAmE", wouldn't that accelerate mass politics in a way that probably isn't very conservatives?

Here are his other ideas.

A wall named after Trump? Why would that even be included?

So this is him officially announcing his candidacy for 2024 by virtue signaling to the stupid part of the republican base, huh?

To the top, "I too want nothing but inexperienced members of congress with little to no political capital advocating for my state," lmao. Imagine replacing the majority of tenured legislators with guileless Boeberts and MTGs.

At least some of them aren't shy about their support of government mandated Christianity. I wonder though how they would feel if the feds mandated home-grown, patriotic Mormonism. It's still Jesus after all!

I'm not going to make any assumptions, but it wouldn't surprise me if that guy spent the next 8 years complaining about how a black man was tainting the oval office.

The blacks are only a small problem. The Mormons were in his walls.

uziq wrote:

can you explain to me why americans might have a bad opinion of, or outward animus towards, mormons? what’s the inter-faith dynamics like there?

i’m afraid to europeans we largely just see mormonism and evangelism on a broad spectrum of ‘weird americans being weird with their novel weird interpretations of christianity’.

tl;dr, because it's been like that for so long.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mormonism
- https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/fl … erica.html

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

uziq wrote:

can you explain to me why americans might have a bad opinion of, or outward animus towards, mormons? what’s the inter-faith dynamics like there?

i’m afraid to europeans we largely just see mormonism and evangelism on a broad spectrum of ‘weird americans being weird with their novel weird interpretations of christianity’.

tl;dr, because it's been like that for so long.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mormonism
- https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/fl … erica.html

merci. shall check.

where do jehovah’s witnesses fit into this hierarchy? how do they interact with mormons? i would say both groups are represented in korea in a way that i’ve never encountered before (obviously) in europe.

almost all christians in korea, including the natives, are some denomination that would seem ‘weird’ and not a little suspect to old-school europeans. clearly a product of american influence, in the main. there’s a longer history of catholicism and missionaries but that tended to be confined to the literate confucian scholar class. modern christianity here is distinctly evangelical/mega-church/corrupt pastor in tone.

The tl;dr to the JW stuff is probably persistent, irritating recruiting efforts, the no holidays thing, weird anti-medical beliefs, differences from mainstream Christianity, and as with Mormonism to an extent, the cumulative impact of the anecdotes of cult survivors. They're also viewed by some as anti-American. I have both in my extended family, although not exclusively.

I've probably been urged to attend church more by Korean Christians than any other religious group, even the Mormons. Once every few visits to the store for various Asian sundries, I'll politely accept one of their hell pamphlets and thank them for the invitation. It doesn't hurt me and I suppose to them, they're doing their best for their community. I've yet to attend though.

uziq wrote:

reading the history of mormonism really is just quite amusing. it’s literally 19th century scientology. even the same tithes and payments and elders ponzi schemes.

they innovated their product quite well with the polygamy thing. most cults tend to fall into the mistake of only having a leader who gets all the sexual freedom. that breeds resentment and dissent. better to let everyone have many wives. very smart.

Church history is a hugely entertaining rabbit hole. There's embarrassing stuff in there that Mormons don't really like talking about or are just unaware of.

i mean, any religion founded in a materialist or secular age is going to have this awkwardness over it’s all-too-mundane founding/founders.

i really respect the sheer balls-out gumption of trying to start a religion in the 19th century. there were waves of religious groups back then but they all tended to be ‘back to basics’ (or back to the land, etc) types. not going all out to invent a whole new denomination/belief system. that takes real ambition right there.

the founder of mormonism is absolutely in the same mould as LRH. that travelling salesman mixed with a childish fabulist type vibe.