Why?uziq wrote:
it’s about time we considered anti-vaxxers and people who don’t respect basic social distancing/self-isolation guidelines as the anti-social persons that they are.
they can shut down businesses, ruin large events, and of course endanger the lives of the vulnerable. why do people tolerate their ‘freedom’ or bogus cod-scientific ‘skepticism’?
these people set back the efforts of everyone else. a positive person can infect 100s or 1000s.
The real question is why you're so rabid ramming arguments down people's throats when they have no basis in fact.Vaccine effectiveness studies have conclusively demonstrated the benefit of COVID-19 vaccines in reducing individual symptomatic and severe disease, resulting in reduced hospitalisations and intensive care unit admissions.1 However, the impact of vaccination on transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 needs to be elucidated. A prospective cohort study in the UK by Anika Singanayagam and colleagues2 regarding community transmission of SARS-CoV-2 among unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals provides important information that needs to be considered in reassessing vaccination policies. This study showed that the impact of vaccination on community transmission of circulating variants of SARS-CoV-2 appeared to be not significantly different from the impact among unvaccinated people.2, 3 The scientific rationale for mandatory vaccination in the USA relies on the premise that vaccination prevents transmission to others, resulting in a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.4 Yet, the demonstration of COVID-19 breakthrough infections among fully vaccinated health-care workers (HCW) in Israel, who in turn may transmit this infection to their patients,5 requires a reassessment of compulsory vaccination policies leading to the job dismissal of unvaccinated HCW in the USA. Indeed, there is growing evidence that peak viral titres in the upper airways of the lungs and culturable virus are similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.2,3,5–7 A recent investigation by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of an outbreak of COVID-19 in a prison in Texas showed the equal presence of infectious virus in the nasopharynx of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.6 Similarly, researchers in California observed no major differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals in terms of SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in the nasopharynx, even in those with proven asymptomatic infection.7 Thus, the current evidence suggests that current mandatory vaccination policies might need to be reconsidered, and that vaccination status should not replace mitigation practices such as mask wearing, physical distancing, and contact-tracing investigations, even within highly vaccinated populations.
Its no more risky to a business than letting vaccinated people enter.uziq wrote:
i have no problems at all with businesses or institutions forbidding the unvaccinated from entry tbh. it's a huge risk to their own personal health/safety and their economic livelihoods.
Well I agree, but thats a whole different argument.uziq wrote:
plus let’s be frank here, most of the people who are unvaccinated at this point and make a big deal out of it are precisely the people protesting loudly that they want to walk around walgreens or target or whatever without wearing a mask. antivaxxers aren’t conscientious lancet readers. they are people who don’t want to follow any public health guidance.
Its barely any risk at all.it's a huge risk to their own personal health/safety and their economic livelihoods.
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there is just no way that you can spin not getting vaccinated as being a 'harmless' personal choice, like it's a lifestyle preference.uziq wrote:
considering that the unvaccinated are overwhelmingly the ones ending up in hospital, requiring serious care, there’s still pretty clear collective public health-oriented arguments for mandating vaccination. this isn’t about ‘eradicating covid’ with magic vaccines or bringing down the r-number; blocking transmissibility has only ever been a secondary benefit of vaccination. the first benefit of vaccination is stated clearly as the very first sentence in your study: it’s to stop serious illness and death.
unvaccinated people are still the ones spamming the hospital system. they’re still draining the most resources. they’re still causing the most disruption to hospital waiting times, etc. a person’s ‘freedom’ to choose to go unvaccinated is not without consequence on their peers or society at large. ending up in intensive care is costly to the health system that has to keep your dumb ass alive.
You're rambling all over the place frankly, I hope you feel better soon.uziq wrote:
erm i'm talking about the highway code and laws of the road generally, not businesses' practices about seatbelts.
Stop vaping.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Woke up wheezing. Took a COVID test. Negative
you accept laws and mandates forced upon you ‘for your own good’ when driving a car, for example. you don’t accuse the government of over-reach every time you buckle up, do you?Dilbert_X wrote:
You're rambling all over the place frankly, I hope you feel better soon.uziq wrote:
erm i'm talking about the highway code and laws of the road generally, not businesses' practices about seatbelts.
