Race relations thread

2022-02-05 14:32:03

#5751

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6987|PNW

I saw the press conference with the interim chief where she (and the mayor) walked out.

The right to bear arms: apparently conditional. Doesn't count if you're murdered in a no-knock raid! Is the NRA going to say anything?

I've weirdly seen this defended on forums with this analogy: "you're on the street and you see someone you think is a murderer, you'd be in your right to shoot first!"

Great analogy (boldface /s), but he wasn't "on the street." He was curled up on the couch with a blanket.

2022-02-05 14:36:43

#5752

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6987|PNW

This comment on newsweek:

Realist
11 hours ago

They show us 18 seconds of body cam footage. Was that all there was to that footage? If not, where's the rest of it? Is the warrant affidavit on which this search was based available? I want to know why they were searching the place. What were the reasons for asking for a no-knock warrant? Why don't the press think of getting a copy of that? The assertion that the victim is not named in that affidavit is made by a civil rights attorney. How does she know this? The family says he was a law abiding person. I have no reason to dispute that. But I'd just ask, why was he sleeping with a gun? Is he legally in possession of that gun? All of these are legitimate questions to ask. And because the County Attorney has a conflict of interest, in that his office calls the suspended officer as a witness in other cases, it is very good policy that Keith Ellison has joined with or taken over from the County Attorney the investigation of and charging decision about that officer's conduct. I trust his decision making on this. He did an excellent job with the Derek Chauvin case.

lol, why indeed. could it be because he's terrified of getting shot?

e:
I know a few people who (usually) have a gun within casual reach at home. While watching TV, available when answering the door, cooking dinner, on the nightstand/under a pillow, even while on the shitter or in the shower. What a country!

https://www.minneapolismn.gov/resident- … fired-map/

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2022-02-06 00:56:14

#5753

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6321|eXtreme to the maX

Stupid plod, they obviously enjoy charging in as if they're taking down Bin Laden when they could just knock on the door or make a phone call, not as exciting I guess.

Fuck Israel

2022-02-06 21:59:13

#5754

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6987|PNW

Alcohol sure makes some people pleasant to be around. Some might remember this from earlier in Jan:

https://twitter.com/Osman_C1/status/1481414950211969026

Totally benign drug. Followup:

Racist couple who harassed and abused family on train are fired from their jobs and arrested
https://deadstate.org/racist-couple-who … -arrested/

Do you think they have regrets now?

2022-02-06 22:14:58

#5755

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3935

What did the family do to annoy the couple?

2022-02-06 22:15:43

#5756

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3935

If only the mayor of NYC was there to kick...

2022-02-07 00:51:15

#5757

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6987|PNW

SuperJail Warden wrote:
What did the family do to annoy the couple?

Reading a lot of these, the aggressors seem to usually be the initiators. All it sometimes takes is to chat in another language, or even in a slight accent.

Problem take people have in defending these goons is they think that being fired as a result of throwing a public tantrum is cancel culture. Oppression! Feeds/folds into that whole false victimhood narrative. Can't even call it false victimhood without making them feel victimised, lol.

2022-02-08 05:01:33

#5758

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|6900|United States of America

I saw this article in Time yesterday and took the bait on the headline, but I'm very unconvinced by it. It seems to fundamentally understand how people interact with eachother and chalk it up to other factors rather than people leaving others alone. I don't feel any sense of community with other white people that makes me more likely to discuss these things with them, and I doubt the familial connection would help my racist uncle.

2022-02-08 05:46:25

#5759

uziq: Member; +493|3668

i do worry slightly with this specific and very minority demographic - i.e. elite-educated, elite-profession, professional class, media-adjacent whites - that a lot of the latest pieties around, say, race or trans-rights, are just the latest in a long line of performative liberal expiations and self-exculpations. it's just another form of character-buffing for them and a sort of 'mental exercise': you can see it in the way they describe their process of 'doing the work', as if they're swotting up for the LSAT or preparing a grad school paper. i'm not sure that buying all the 'right on' books and making a performative show of your studies is quite the ticket, here ...

it reminds me of a quip from the always-quotable, constantly irascible ishmael reed, where he said something like today's anti-racism is just the new yoga for these folks.

2022-02-08 08:03:43

#5760

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3935

I think you both don't get it. The only way to solve racism in America is for white people to put each other through struggle sessions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denunciation_rally

2022-02-08 08:18:52

#5761

uziq: Member; +493|3668

don't get me wrong, the vast majority of white people could really do with reading a few basic books on racism, or just, er, the discipline of history generally to take an objective stock of their nation's and people's pasts. that doesn't have to become self-indulgent or performative. the vast majority of people are what you might call 'unreconstructed' in their beliefs.

i broadly believe everyone's analytical skills and intelligences would benefit from wide-reading and considering critical/contrary views.

but the ivy league, law school types who prescribe long anti-racist reading lists to each other are a sort of weird manifestation of liberal elite behaviour. it reminds me of certain pious sects who are forever challenging their members to prove their commitment to the cause. very insular and not a little neurotic.

2022-02-08 08:50:48

#5762

uziq: Member; +493|3668

there is a review/essay in the latest LRB on a selection from this latest spate in anti-racism publishing.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n03 … -whiteness

2022-02-08 09:15:08

#5763

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3935

The people who most need to read a book about racism don't read books anyway. The books will not save us.

Joe Rogan voice of reason:
https://twitter.com/andual88/status/1490204264773263361

2022-02-08 09:46:18

#5764

uziq: Member; +493|3668

good lord, lmao at that clip. what a derpsicle on about 4 different levels.

it's the exact same sort of vaguely scientific-sounding claptrap that dilbert recycles. except, apparently, he has a graduate degree in a fucking science.

'yeah, uh, blacks are more violent because of a gene ... because, erm, when asians and europeans moved out of africa, we were peaceful farmers ...'

2022-02-08 10:00:01

#5765

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3935

I could get how genes can predispose people to violence etc. What annoys me about the 'blacks have violent genes' thing is exactly what Joe R. brought up. And what is wrong with violence anyhow? Joe R. makes money off of violence.

There is another race science thing about how blacks have higher testosterone levels than whites and Asians. White supremacist argue that the higher levels of testosterone is what makes black violent. I bet if the science went the other way, and blacks had low levels of testosterone, the same group of people would instead argue that the low levels of testosterone in blacks makes them more emotional/violent.

2022-02-08 10:16:39

#5766

pirana6: Go Cougs!; +691|6506|Washington St.

Thank god white people have been at peace since moving out of africa.

2022-02-08 10:48:42

#5767

uziq: Member; +493|3668

There is another race science thing

that's precisely it. 'race science' is about extrapolating from some tendentious 'facts' giant cod-science theories which generalise complex historical, social, behavioural/psychological, etc, issues based on 'genetics' or 'biology'. it flattens all complexity and context out of everything and posits 'race' as not only an ontological universal, a priori category, but as furthermore one which seems to define human behaviour. 'race' is, at best, a pretty flimsy descriptive category, depending on its use, and not much more.

the human species are not divided into 'subspecies' based on racial phylogenetics. there isn't a 'violent' race, a 'productive, cooperative' race, etc, based on long millenia of 'evolution' down 'separate trees'. it's a fucking nonsense.

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2022-02-08 11:16:05

#5768

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6987|PNW

It's always funny to me when one of these guys is confronted by an interviewee with a bigger tinfoil hat.

Apparently Rumble offered Rogan $100M to move to their cOnSeRvAtIvE platform. Also, Trump offered some sage advice to him, "stop apologizing to lunatics!"

The controversy surrounding Joe Rogan has drawn the attention of former President Trump, who is urging the podcaster to "stop apologizing" to his detractors.

"Joe Rogan is an interesting and popular guy, but he's got to stop apologizing to the Fake News and Radical Left maniacs and lunatics," Trump said in a statement dated Feb. 7 and posted to Twitter early Tuesday by spokeswoman Liz Harrington. link

Wheels in motion!

2022-02-08 19:28:29

#5769

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6321|eXtreme to the maX

uziq wrote:
there is a review/essay in the latest LRB on a selection from this latest spate in anti-racism publishing.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n03 … -whiteness

When will there be books to help other races not be racist?

Oh yeah there won't be, all those books are about putting themselves first.

Fuck Israel

2022-02-08 19:36:27

#5770

uziq: Member; +493|3668

ok so you didn’t read the article.

it literally talks about the majority of the history of racist/anti-racist discourse stressing the importance of doing away with race-based thinking altogether. many ‘black’ activists encouraged this tradition - including denying ‘whiteness’ too, such as james baldwin. others identified ‘whiteness’ really with colonialism, and took that as their target, such as marcus garvey.

the article literally speaks of this partially occluded history encouragingly as a more productive route forward.

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2022-02-09 14:22:54

#5771

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3935

So I was part of a meeting to organize members of color for the union. I had the opportunity to take a lead organizing it but I don't want to put my name on anything right now. And I am exhausted with moar graduate classes. Will keep in touch with the organizers and keep going to the events though.

Would anyone like to know what one of these meetings are like since I don't think expect you guys to get any chances to attend one.

2022-02-09 15:46:51

#5772

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,978|6847|949

That Kylo Ren actor has a weird face. Can't quite put my finger on jt, but there's something odd about the proportions.

Anyway, tell us all about your BIPOC DEI rally.

2022-02-09 19:27:46

#5773

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6987|PNW

I've heard him compared to these types of cat.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/cb/8d/cfcb8da6d9f38b30dde2bd887b2a67a5.jpg

2022-02-09 20:28:34

#5774

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3935

It is important everyone feels included.

Last edited by SuperJail Warden (2022-02-10 05:28:55)

2022-02-10 05:48:16

#5775

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3935

The Department of Education is deepening its commitment to the polarizing “restorative justice” disciplinary model.

The DOE will spend $1.3 million to establish “restorative justice action teams” made up of students and adults at more than 100 city schools being paid to entrench the program, according to a budgeting document.

The DOE is expected to invest further in restorative justice programs moving forward.

Instead of suspensions and other disciplinary measures, the approach has students attempt to peacefully settle disputes under teacher supervision.

Backers argue that harsher punishments are often inappropriate and can alienate students.

Critics charge that restorative justice emboldens poor behavior through a lack of direct consequences for misconduct.

The new DOE memo allocates up to $13,000 each to 107 selected schools that have introduced restorative justice programs.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/08/nyc-doe-i … hools/amp/

NY Post is a tabloid. The rest of the short article is quotes from supporters and detractors.

I don't care for restorative justice either. I don't think schools should be tightly regimented prisons but we need to protect the kids who go to school and want to learn.

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