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i'll check it out!

If only the Jews had cooperated with the Romans...

oNe MaN’s tErroRiSt iS aNotHer’s fReEdOM fighter.

i take it you’re okay with islamic terrorism when it comes in the form of hamas or hezbollah, dilbert.

lots of the world's status quo has been achieved by state terrorism or state-sponsored terrorism.

did you tell americans that they couldn't rally behind a 'war on terror' in 2001 because they'd spent the 80s and 90s funding paramilitary death squads and terorrist groups in latin america?

also it's literally not true that israel 'achieved all of its objectives by terrorism'. if you're going to criticize the state, do it properly, otherwise you once again look like a ranting loonie. you don't do your cause any favours. i think most people would be inclined to agree with you when it comes to criticizing israel's annexations and ethno-nationalism. but you do that a discredit when you accuse them of a 'century of terrorism'. lots of israel's territorial grabs and borders were achieved using the same means as modern european states, dilbert.

Last edited by uziq (2020-09-27 06:03:36)

The jews don't even have a word for zealot.

I like this song unironically. It's catchy. I like that this song is such a little time capsule from stranger better times.

Basically it is country music's response to 9/11. Most famous part

Justice will be served and the battle will rage
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
And you'll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way

Anyhow, did we "put a boot in the ass" of the people responsible for 9/11 enough for the Muslims and others to fear us again?

Toby Keith makes some cringey songs that actually sound catchy.

america spent enough money in iraq and afghanistan to just about give everyone universal healthcare into their 90s and cancel the total US student debt about 3 times over.

what did you 'achieve'? a lot of dead people, destroyed lives, and two destabilized states. russia now has more leverage in the region than it did before. as does iran. iraq is quickly settling down into disorganized, sectarian fractiousness again. isn't afghanistan literally back in the hands of the taliban? still, you built a nice semi-paved ring road around the place -- for the handy cost of $3 billion.

you sure showed those goat farmers and yoghurt makers!

Last edited by uziq (2020-09-29 04:30:55)

I enjoy reading military subreddits and watching combat videos. It is just so annoying to see the constant invincible tough guy attitude so many people who also frequent that space have. This is particularly true when it comes to China. The somewhat racialized opposition to China doesn't bother me as much as the frequent dismissal of their military capabilities and supposed inferiority compared to ours. America doesn't have the heart to fight a prolonged conflict with China. And I think they would surprise us in how well they perform considering they have been thinking about what a war against us would look like while we were shooting $200,000 missiles at guys burying $5 IEDs in the Afghan mountains.

You can tell someone never researched nuclear weapons by their willingness to encourage using them. Even if we took out every single Chinese/Russian ground based nuclear weapon that we know and don't know about we would still be unable to stop a second strike committed by nuclear subs that we know and don't know about.

But whatever, I don't like to talk about the small details of this stuff since I was never in a war. And you can only talk about small details of war if you sat on a military base and guarded the WiFi.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I enjoy reading military subreddits and watching combat videos. It is just so annoying to see the constant invincible tough guy attitude so many people who also frequent that space have. This is particularly true when it comes to China. The somewhat racialized opposition to China doesn't bother me as much as the frequent dismissal of their military capabilities and supposed inferiority compared to ours. America doesn't have the heart to fight a prolonged conflict with China. And I think they would surprise us in how well they perform considering they have been thinking about what a war against us would look like while we were shooting $200,000 missiles at guys burying $5 IEDs in the Afghan mountains.

unfortunately this attitude has been fostered right at the top by the american military top brass itself. just think about how oppenheimer was totally side-lined and made a pariah figure because he encouraged de-escalation and disarmament after ww2. teller and the rest thought they could just use hydrogen bombs to terraform europe and the far-east and remake it in america's image. shockingly naive stuff.

Last edited by uziq (2020-09-29 12:03:08)

Well you do get to fight or not at the whim of the president, I guess. Trump claimed he'd have troops home from Afghanistan by Christmas. RIP leverage.