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DesertFox- wrote:

I only saw that when some gun nuts were all self-congratulatory about the "good guy" stopping them. Sidebar: I know it's Texas, but what kind of church has multiple armed guards? However, people still died. Mitigating the effects of shooting sprees isn't preventing them. Is the free-dumb crowd just resigned that their best case scenario is to have public gunfights every now and then?

Disingenuous gun policy makes me think of the current approach to climate change from the same ilk. Delay, delay, delay ---- oh, it's past the critical point now. There's more guns than people, so anything that would've previous worked, won't. The planet's on track to cause all sorts of displacement and resource wars, but I'll be gone by then.

War Man wrote:

Funny, I have a tendency to debate in my head whether Catholics or Muslims are more irritating

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

LARPers. I wonder if those overalls are part of the standard costume? Or the chest plate that looks about 2 sizes too small.

wiki wrote:

Later that month, the Mesa Police Department fired Brailsford, citing several policy violations and unsatisfactory performance.[26] An internal investigation report revealed that Brailsford had violated department weapon policy by engraving his patrol rifle with the phrases "You're fucked" and "Molon labe" (a Greek expression meaning "come and take them").[27][28] Brailsford had also previously been investigated for body slamming a teenager during an arrest.[29]

aclu.org wrote:

The jury that acquitted Brailsford did not hear about the two words that were on his dust cover because the judge excluded that evidence.

wiki wrote:

In January 2018, Brailsford filed for bankruptcy.[4] In early 2018, the United States Department of Justice opened its own investigation into Shaver's killing.[3]

In August 2018, Brailsford was reinstated by the Mesa Police Department, staying for a further 42 days in what the department described as a "budget position". The department agreed to reimburse Brailsford for medical expenses related to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Brailsford's lawyer has said that Brailsford suffered PTSD due to his shooting of Shaver and the resultant criminal trial. The reinstatement allowed Brailsford to apply for "accidental disability" suffered during the course of work. As a result, Brailsford was unanimously approved to be retired on medical grounds. Brailsford was also given a pension of $2,500 per month. The fact that Brailsford was ultimately medically retired instead of remaining fired was only revealed to the public in July 2019.[4][5][35]

HollisHurlbut wrote:

Also, the officer shouting conflicting instructions wasn't great at pretty much anything in this scenario.  Everything he did was wrong.  His most grievous error was setting himself and his partner up to arrest an allegedly armed person in a hallway corridor with no concealment or cover whatsoever.  Making an apprehension while sitting in the dead center of a fatal funnel.  There was no report of actual shooting, so the worst they're responding to is a suspicious individual, or possibly brandishing a firearm.  There was nothing to necessitate an immediate extraction of the suspect from his hotel room.  Given this, the best course of action would be to obtain access to hotel rooms on opposite sides of the hall and use the door jambs as cover to minimize exposure to incoming fire.  Were the rooms occupied?  Good question.  If they weren't, there would be no reason to not use them for cover.  If they were, there was every reason to gain access to evacuate the occupants and then use the rooms as cover, if this was the kind of response they believed was required.  Not having cover likely increased the perceived danger by the officer who took the shots.

HollisHurlbut wrote:

And he probably knows it, too, which is why he retired from the police department and hot-footed it to the Philippines before he could be charged or sued, where he remains to this day.

HollisHurlbut wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

More on that mess:

wiki wrote:

Later that month, the Mesa Police Department fired Brailsford, citing several policy violations and unsatisfactory performance.[26] An internal investigation report revealed that Brailsford had violated department weapon policy by engraving his patrol rifle with the phrases "You're fucked" and "Molon labe" (a Greek expression meaning "come and take them").[27][28] Brailsford had also previously been investigated for body slamming a teenager during an arrest.[29]

aclu.org wrote:

The jury that acquitted Brailsford did not hear about the two words that were on his dust cover because the judge excluded that evidence.

Just to show I'm doing my best to be objective...

I understand the desire of Mesa PD to enforce their policies on their officers, but that was Brailsford's personally-owned rifle.  If they want to limit what officers can engrave on the rifles they carry on duty, they should supply the rifles instead of telling their officers it's BYO.

As far as the jury not being told of the inscriptions, it was 100% the correct decision.  An inscription carved into the rifle long before this incident occurred is utterly irrelevant as to the determination of whether or not the use of force was objectively reasonable under the circumstances that night.