BF2S Forums EE Chats 2016

uziq wrote:

jesus christ this is like franchise inception.

original, sequels, prequels, reboots, anthology sub-plots.

fucking losers.

I never understood the worship. They're ok movies, nothing life altering.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

uziq wrote:

jesus christ this is like franchise inception.

original, sequels, prequels, reboots, anthology sub-plots.

fucking losers.

yeah i think that may have played a part in the decision making process when Disney was pursuing the brand.  Just a hunch.

obviously that's the business PoV. what I'm more surprised about is how pliable the punters are in the face of a death of creativity from Disney, marvel, Warner ... pretty much all of them. it's Hollywood can't even be bothered anymore and yet people are still queuing up and paying libations. losers.

uziq wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

uziq wrote:

jesus christ this is like franchise inception.

original, sequels, prequels, reboots, anthology sub-plots.

fucking losers.

yeah i think that may have played a part in the decision making process when Disney was pursuing the brand.  Just a hunch.

obviously that's the business PoV. what I'm more surprised about is how pliable the punters are in the face of a death of creativity from Disney, marvel, Warner ... pretty much all of them. it's Hollywood can't even be bothered anymore and yet people are still queuing up and paying libations. losers.

Hollywood has only ever been about making money.

uziq wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

uziq wrote:

jesus christ this is like franchise inception.

original, sequels, prequels, reboots, anthology sub-plots.

fucking losers.

yeah i think that may have played a part in the decision making process when Disney was pursuing the brand.  Just a hunch.

obviously that's the business PoV. what I'm more surprised about is how pliable the punters are in the face of a death of creativity from Disney, marvel, Warner ... pretty much all of them. it's Hollywood can't even be bothered anymore and yet people are still queuing up and paying libations. losers.

I agree.  Video games is the same thing.  Batman vs. Superman leaked a 30 second trailer that was essentially a screenshot with some music playing and people were actually hyping themselves up over it.  Video games leak some bullshit cinematic footage and people jerk themselves off to it.  Hype is fucking dumb.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I am not a big star wars nerd but enjoy their movies and games. The good thing about a huge series like this is that it is usually a safe entertainment bet. If you liked the previous star wars things, you probably will like the new ones since they reuse the same assets. When you try a new IP you are gambling with your time and it often doesn't pay off because most modern games and movies suck anyway.

that's kind of my issue here - you call it IP, I consider it more of a bastion for art.  The fact that the economic return is more important than the artistic merit is the problem.  I've explained my position here many times, so no need to rehash.  I think you're looking at it backward - most modern games and movies suck because the focus is ROI instead of creating something profound.  Movies and games don't want to gamble because the easiest way to make more money is to regurgitate the same story lines, tropes, franchises, characters, etc.  And the stupid fuckers like the people rating Star Wars and BvS and other tripe in the movie thread are actively encouraging the movie studios to continue down the same path.

Art has always been tied to profit. Da Vinci and others all painted stuff on commission for rich people. Almost everything you see at the MET was either made on commission or the artist planned to eventually sell it. I don't think making something with money in mind can make it less artistic or valuable. And it is not like these star Wars movies are being directed by whoever showed up that day. The directors, writers, producers are all accomplished and will do everything they can to make a movie people and critics will enjoy. Tropes are not necessarily bad either.

comparing patronage to the industrial studio production of movies is dumb in the extreme. analogies have to have some valency.

hollywood did produce creative things and give artistic license, for many decades (@ dilbert). it hasn't always been a bankrupt sham. of course the studios were there to make vast amounts of money, but it's simplistic to say that all hollywood movies have been base and reductive and lowest common denominator. cinema had to have a giant studio system, especially in its early instantiations, simply because the cost of production is so high. but a lot of 'classics' came out of the hollywood studio system and a lot of directors carve their own niche whilst still taking money from the big producers.

nowadays it is very conservative. i blame netflix and youtube. studios don't want to take any chances anymore.

Last edited by uziq (2016-04-08 11:16:06)

I blame the actors and the unions for pushing the costs up so much the studios can't afford to take any risks.

That and the studios not wanting to go with unknown actors.

Actors and Doctors are two groups of people who are supposedly in it for the love of the profession and yet they have no qualms about charging the maximum the market will bear never mind the greater cost.

this is a rehash of a previous thread

You know that old internet adage "OP is a faggot"? Could never be truer

did you get the help you needed Frankie? That's the most important thing

Jay wrote:

Not really sure what you're all on about. I see movies released without fanfare every week. Are you complaining that indie films aren't given the marketing muscle of blockbusters? Because that's absurd. Are you mad that the blockbusters get attention? Those things are self driving. There are enough people in this world terrified of missing out on whatever is currently popular to keep the idea of the blockbuster going forever. We all have friends who are terrified of the "have you seen x?" question and being forced to say no.

what on earth are you fucking going on about?

all we're talking about is how hollywood movies have dropped off. i'm not bemoaning the fact that the world isn't going mad for some cannes-feted iranian director and i'm not complaining about the health of indie cinema. hollywood is just incredibly conservative right now. most films are part of a franchise or some tired formula. we're discussing quite a specific thing. i'm quite happy keeping my tarkovsky chats to impressionable graduate school girls.

Last edited by uziq (2016-04-08 16:11:34)

Dilbert_X wrote:

I blame the actors and the unions for pushing the costs up so much the studios can't afford to take any risks.

That and the studios not wanting to go with unknown actors.

Actors and Doctors are two groups of people who are supposedly in it for the love of the profession and yet they have no qualms about charging the maximum the market will bear never mind the greater cost.

blame the global market. comedy films are dying left and right because the chinese won't understand the jokes.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

did you get the help you needed Frankie? That's the most important thing

Yes I did. Thank god I wasn't a woman. I know you have a thing for mentally ill women. You would have tried to hook up with me or something. Weirdo.

yeah for sure.  It's kinda my thing. Mentally ill women.  Wanna hang out my passenger side tonight as I drive by the psych ward?  I'm sure there are some asians in there for you.  Or i may just try to pull a move on you.  Depends on if my adolescent homoerotic thoughts manifest.

I would totally airlock a few Asians with you. It might be hard to pick them up though. They don't understand our sense of humor?

Last edited by SuperJail Warden (2016-04-08 16:38:21)

what if it's an action comedy movie?!?!

Obviously hollywood studios factor in global reach in movies.  They also aren't stopping making comedies because someone in China doesn't get the joke.

Oh, and comedy actors are moving to action films because Essence Wang in Shanghai doesn't pay their bills anymore.

You're a weirdo.  But I definitely appreciate your attempts at making a point.  It's definitely improved over the years.

You watched Ted in Taiwan and no one got the jokes.  Good example, because they definitely did not make a Ted 2.  I blame Asia for that.