Gay Marriage in California

2015-09-05 03:33:17

#551

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5576|London, England

DesertFox- wrote:
I mean, I know boys still can play football and light off fireworks so those points are moot, but I must ask, why welding?

It's infinitely less useful than both sewing and cooking unless we get into some sort of Mad Max situation (and even then, it's still not as essential).

It's an incredibly useful skill that I really want to pick up myself. Substitute welding with shop class if you want. Shop classes have largely disappeared.

I blame insurance companies more than leftists though. They're the ones that made society, and thus parents, paranoid so they could limit their exposure. Everyone is afraid of getting sued if little Johnny gets a bruise now.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-09-05 03:39:59

#552

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5576|London, England

DesertFox- wrote:
My curiousity gets the better of me and I would like to know just what this man or this alledged cadre of superlesbians have done to get your blood up so much.

A cultural studies instructor at Washington State University has warned her students that they could face disciplinary action -- and in some cases, failure of her class -- if they use certain terms she deems unacceptable, including "illegal aliens," "tranny" and the words "males" and "females" to refer to men and women.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ar … story.html

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-09-05 03:47:59

#553

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6934

Jay wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
I mean, I know boys still can play football and light off fireworks so those points are moot, but I must ask, why welding?

It's infinitely less useful than both sewing and cooking unless we get into some sort of Mad Max situation (and even then, it's still not as essential).
It's an incredibly useful skill that I really want to pick up myself. Substitute welding with shop class if you want. Shop classes have largely disappeared.

I blame insurance companies more than leftists though. They're the ones that made society, and thus parents, paranoid so they could limit their exposure. Everyone is afraid of getting sued if little Johnny gets a bruise now.

tort law has existed for more than a thousand years. People are not more litigious than they already were decades ago.

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2015-09-05 03:56:05

#554

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3937

Jay wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
I mean, I know boys still can play football and light off fireworks so those points are moot, but I must ask, why welding?

It's infinitely less useful than both sewing and cooking unless we get into some sort of Mad Max situation (and even then, it's still not as essential).
It's an incredibly useful skill that I really want to pick up myself. Substitute welding with shop class if you want. Shop classes have largely disappeared.

I blame insurance companies more than leftists though. They're the ones that made society, and thus parents, paranoid so they could limit their exposure. Everyone is afraid of getting sued if little Johnny gets a bruise now.

It more has to do with society focusing on preparing students for college and white collar work than fear of insurance companies (?) and lawsuits. My generation was told from a young age that if we didn't do well in school we would end up in careers cutting grass. So art classes replaced carpentry because it looks better on college applications.

FWIW, my high school had a carpentry class as well as classes in art and accounting. Though they removed the car repair class and replaced it with a pottery class. I took the pottery class. I can make jars. One of my co-workers who moved into white collar work lived in NYC and went to school there. They still had car repair classes.

2015-09-05 04:06:04

#555

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5576|London, England

Cybargs wrote:
Jay wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
I mean, I know boys still can play football and light off fireworks so those points are moot, but I must ask, why welding?

It's infinitely less useful than both sewing and cooking unless we get into some sort of Mad Max situation (and even then, it's still not as essential).
It's an incredibly useful skill that I really want to pick up myself. Substitute welding with shop class if you want. Shop classes have largely disappeared.

I blame insurance companies more than leftists though. They're the ones that made society, and thus parents, paranoid so they could limit their exposure. Everyone is afraid of getting sued if little Johnny gets a bruise now.
tort law has existed for more than a thousand years. People are not more litigious than they already were decades ago.

Yes they are, and the payouts have gotten bigger.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-09-05 04:14:25

#556

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5576|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
I mean, I know boys still can play football and light off fireworks so those points are moot, but I must ask, why welding?

It's infinitely less useful than both sewing and cooking unless we get into some sort of Mad Max situation (and even then, it's still not as essential).
It's an incredibly useful skill that I really want to pick up myself. Substitute welding with shop class if you want. Shop classes have largely disappeared.

I blame insurance companies more than leftists though. They're the ones that made society, and thus parents, paranoid so they could limit their exposure. Everyone is afraid of getting sued if little Johnny gets a bruise now.
It more has to do with society focusing on preparing students for college and white collar work than fear of insurance companies (?) and lawsuits. My generation was told from a young age that if we didn't do well in school we would end up in careers cutting grass. So art classes replaced carpentry because it looks better on college applications.

FWIW, my high school had a carpentry class as well as classes in art and accounting. Though they removed the car repair class and replaced it with a pottery class. I took the pottery class. I can make jars. One of my co-workers who moved into white collar work lived in NYC and went to school there. They still had car repair classes.

They removed shop class from my hometown school as well as all playgrounds because insurance premiums spiked. It's been happening a lot all over. Everything is about safety now. Don't go outside at night, don't play sports, make sure you eat your vegetables. It's like society suddenly decided collectively to become Jewish mothers.

My grandparents would kick me out and say go play outside, so we did. We built tree houses in the woods, had bike races with all the neighborhood kids, walked ourselves to school, went fishing and swimming at the beach, played tackle football and baseball in the street. It was a fun childhood full of minor scrapes that if I allowed my son to have, I would go to jail for child abuse.

Edit: and I still have a scar on my neck from playing with fireworks. I lived to tell about it!

Last edited by Jay (2015-09-05 04:53:47)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-09-05 04:20:48

#557

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5576|London, England

And yeah, I know that comes off as old man nostalgia, but the world changed dramatically for the worse right after my childhood. Crime went down and everyone became bitches.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-09-05 05:19:36

#558

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3937

The school probably used insurance as an excuse to get rid of an expensive class the same way your boss is using insurance cost to tinker with your benefits.

You have a shitty perception of yourself and others. Kids still go outside and have fun and cause trouble like they did in the 90's. They probably have more fun and do it more efficiently now with smart phones.

2015-09-05 05:31:15

#559

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6323|eXtreme to the maX

DesertFox- wrote:
My curiousity gets the better of me and I would like to know just what this man or this alledged cadre of superlesbians have done to get your blood up so much.

Idiocracy was only half right, pussification is the other half of the problem.

Are the Chinese coddling their kids? No, they're producing an army.

Fuck Israel

2015-09-05 05:32:54

#560

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6934

Dilbert_X wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
My curiousity gets the better of me and I would like to know just what this man or this alledged cadre of superlesbians have done to get your blood up so much.
Idiocracy was only half right, pussification is the other half of the problem.

Are the Chinese coddling their kids? No, they're producing an army.

top kek. how many chinese kids do you know? literally most of them have 0 life skills.

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2015-09-05 05:44:57

#561

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5576|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
The school probably used insurance as an excuse to get rid of an expensive class the same way your boss is using insurance cost to tinker with your benefits.

You have a shitty perception of yourself and others. Kids still go outside and have fun and cause trouble like they did in the 90's. They probably have more fun and do it more efficiently now with smart phones.

Liability from having a kid chop off his finger on a bandsaw?

And no, if kids go outside they don't leave the yard. In the 80s and early 90's you would see multiple groups of kids running around neighborhoods without parental supervision. I never see kids today unless they're holding their moms hand at the store.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-09-05 07:50:52

#562

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3937

I see kids hanging around my street all the time without their parents. My parents complain about unsupervised kids using their driveway as a bike ramp. I drive by my K-8 school every day and see kids hanging out in the yard unsupervised like I did 15 years ago. The school never raised the fence to keep the kids out. I saw a police officer talk to a bunch of 12ish skateboarders the other day while another officer tried riding their board. When I went biking to the park, I saw a few kids come up from the secluded part by the water where we used to make bonfires and drink. The city never patched the metal fence to get to the playground and I am sure kids still sneak into the park and night and experiment with girls. They built a skate park where older teens hangout with younger kids and introduce them into the skater lifestyle.

Basically kids do still grow up and act like kids where I live and I am sure elsewhere.

But then again, I live in a small city surrounded on all sides by big cities and not tucked away in some upper middle class real housewives of long island suburbs. Which come to think of it, is a factory for sorority sisters who drink too much and get them selves fondled at a frat or guys who call the police because they think they are going to die in their dorm from a marijuana overdose.

That is a terrible way to bring up a child, I agree.

2015-09-05 09:06:44

#563

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5396|Sydney

You guys have the oddest conversations at times.

2015-09-05 11:09:26

#564

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|6902|United States of America

Jay wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
My curiousity gets the better of me and I would like to know just what this man or this alledged cadre of superlesbians have done to get your blood up so much.
A cultural studies instructor at Washington State University has warned her students that they could face disciplinary action -- and in some cases, failure of her class -- if they use certain terms she deems unacceptable, including "illegal aliens," "tranny" and the words "males" and "females" to refer to men and women.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ar … story.html

I mean, that seems to be written to stir up the anti-PC police, but then a few paragraphs down: It [the university] said that "no student will have points docked merely as a result of using terms that may be deemed offensive to some."

The only word I'd take issue with, especially in a college class, is "tranny". I doubt we're talking about transmissions, but I've only ever heard it as a slur against trans folk. That said, punishment never seems to be a very good way to get others on board with those behaviors, and I'm also not terrible supportive of telling people what words they can use to begin with. After all, this is real life; it ain't tumblr.

2015-09-05 11:23:50

#565

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5576|London, England

DesertFox- wrote:
Jay wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
My curiousity gets the better of me and I would like to know just what this man or this alledged cadre of superlesbians have done to get your blood up so much.
A cultural studies instructor at Washington State University has warned her students that they could face disciplinary action -- and in some cases, failure of her class -- if they use certain terms she deems unacceptable, including "illegal aliens," "tranny" and the words "males" and "females" to refer to men and women.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ar … story.html
I mean, that seems to be written to stir up the anti-PC police, but then a few paragraphs down: It [the university] said that "no student will have points docked merely as a result of using terms that may be deemed offensive to some."

The only word I'd take issue with, especially in a college class, is "tranny". I doubt we're talking about transmissions, but I've only ever heard it as a slur against trans folk. That said, punishment never seems to be a very good way to get others on board with those behaviors, and I'm also not terrible supportive of telling people what words they can use to begin with. After all, this is real life; it ain't tumblr.

This has become a fairly common story. The University of New Hampshire was in the news a few months ago for largely the same reason. Visit a message board with people educated in marxo-feminist sociology and they seem to spend 90% of their time trying to re-educate each other about the proper way to speak to each other. Calling someone normal or straight is considered offensive. If you were born male and identify as male, you are cisgendered male. They've imagined this whole vast universe of language and protocols so that no one could ever possibly feel slighted or offended, except when people unaware of the protocols interact with them and they can launch into their practiced diatribes. Things as small as asking people where they're from is considered a microaggression because it supposedly puts the asker in a superior position by making the askee an outsider by default. I'm just scratching the surface here, you should see some of the absurdities these people come up with and the mental gymnastics they perform to make everything fit together. The saddest part is that they spend so much time denigrating cis white males that you can tell that in their heart of hearts, it's really what they wish they were.

Last edited by Jay (2015-09-05 11:24:25)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-09-05 11:35:11

#566

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3937

Did you spend time or know anyone at the university of New Hampshire? Or are you going by what you read in the news?

Where the hell do you spend time with marxo-feminist? Even in the left wing groups I read and contribute to, there is never any debate about proper terms to call people. No one harps on about cis gender or male or whatever. Most of the time the Marxist and democratic socialist yell at each other while both yell at the American leftist for getting distracted by race and cultural issues rather than destroying existing capitalist structures.

Good stuff. Highly recommend.

2015-09-05 11:56:33

#567

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5576|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Did you spend time or know anyone at the university of New Hampshire? Or are you going by what you read in the news?

Where the hell do you spend time with marxo-feminist? Even in the left wing groups I read and contribute to, there is never any debate about proper terms to call people. No one harps on about cis gender or male or whatever. Most of the time the Marxist and democratic socialist yell at each other while both yell at the American leftist for getting distracted by race and cultural issues rather than destroying existing capitalist structures.

Good stuff. Highly recommend.

My uncle is actually a professor there, but I read it on the news.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-09-05 12:21:34

#568

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3937

Okay, keep me updated on it.

2015-09-05 13:42:56

#569

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5576|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Okay, keep me updated on it.

I hope you get shot by a crackhead in the line of duty. Your mom will think you're a hero and I'll be grateful you're dead. Everyone wins, even your self loathing self.

Last edited by Jay (2015-09-05 13:43:23)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-09-05 14:28:32

#570

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3937

Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Okay, keep me updated on it.
I hope you get shot by a crackhead in the line of duty. Your mom will think you're a hero and I'll be grateful you're dead. Everyone wins, even your self loathing self.

Alright, but that nothing to do with the University of New Hampshire.

2015-09-05 17:08:25

#571

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6934

Dilbert_X wrote:
Some apt examples from the BBC front page.
US cadets injured in pillow fight at prestigious academy

No disciplinary action has been taken against the cadets and there are no plans to end the yearly pillow fight which has taken place since at least 1897.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34162336
Well that's just unacceptable, if there are two things we can't tolerate in the modern age its boys being boys or members of the military being lightly injured.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/pillow-figh … jfz5n.html

Cadets at the prestigious United States Military Academy were left with split lips, broken bones and dislocated shoulders after a pillow fight that left some first-year students concussed and knocked unconscious.

yeah fucking harmless aye, just some dislocated shoulders, broken bones and concussions.

But this year, the fight turned bloody as some students swung pillowcases packed with hard objects, thought to be helmets

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2015-09-05 17:42:21

#572

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6323|eXtreme to the maX

So, no worse than he average rugby match.

Fuck Israel

2015-09-05 18:12:36

#573

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|6902|United States of America

Cybargs wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Some apt examples from the BBC front page.
US cadets injured in pillow fight at prestigious academy

No disciplinary action has been taken against the cadets and there are no plans to end the yearly pillow fight which has taken place since at least 1897.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34162336
Well that's just unacceptable, if there are two things we can't tolerate in the modern age its boys being boys or members of the military being lightly injured.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/pillow-figh … jfz5n.html

Cadets at the prestigious United States Military Academy were left with split lips, broken bones and dislocated shoulders after a pillow fight that left some first-year students concussed and knocked unconscious.
yeah fucking harmless aye, just some dislocated shoulders, broken bones and concussions.

But this year, the fight turned bloody as some students swung pillowcases packed with hard objects, thought to be helmets

Wait a minute, Dil, what are you complaining about? It says there is no disciplinary action and no plans to end the pillow fight. It seems we are tolerating both boys being boys and cadets being lightly injured.

2015-09-05 18:41:40

#574

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6323|eXtreme to the maX

What I am complaining about is the spin the media is putting on it.
Its a news item that a) Its allowed and b) Its going to continue to be allowed.

Fuck Israel

2015-09-06 06:27:08

#575

uziq: Member; +493|3670

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