BF2S Forums [World of Warcraft - MMO] Discussion

there was such a richness to the in-game world. now it is impoverished. everyone completely satisfied because they have been given everything they want. it's not an MMO anymore, it's just a bunch of individual fantasy-lands where everyone has the misfortune to have to party up with other strangers from time to time to get the gear they want. cross-realm looking for group/looking for battlegrounds totally ruined community cohesion and a feeling of epicness, as well. people rarely even spoke in dungeons after that tool. instant queues, yes, great, instant access to gear. but no talking, no need for socializing or teamwork, no bonhomie. it sucked.

as ever, bringing back a vanilla WoW, i would pay $20 a month to play it.

transmog makes it so that you can permanently make all your gear look like something else. that really doesn't bother you? it's ridiculous. bunch of idiots running around in tier2 when the only time they ever touched a raid of that difficulty was when they were 30 levels above it, solo-ing it.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-04-02 06:19:06)

It is a downgrade. It's nine year old shitty equipment.

I'm so glad I quit after WoTLK.

Jay wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Oh? I thought it meant it could make an item look like a stronger level or something.

I dunno what it does honestly, I haven't played the game in five years+ but uzique is bitching about armor being morphed into Tier 2 gear, which is from vanilla WoW circa 2005.

I think he's bitching because he somehow feels it demeans the efforts he put in to earn it himself. Nevermind that it's a video game and his effort was a complete waste of time in the first place...

jay you don't know what you're talking about. i'm not bitching "because it was a waste of effort". it's a huge design change. you can now turn your gear to LOOK LIKE (hint: the skin, not the actual 7 year old gear stats, you retard) any other piece of gear in the game. do you even know what that means for gameplay? in certain PvP encounters - especially in open world - you would judge on the fly whether you should be gathering your plums or legging it based on... the other player's appearance. certain elite-looking gear conveys a prestige and a 'oh shit!' fear factor in game. the look of your character/gear is always a significant motivation to even 'get geared' and level up a good character in the first place. what happens now is that a bunch of people in lvl90 greens and trash gear can go back through 8 year old instances and change all of their gear to look great. now, i'm not bitching about "omg they stole my gear's looks!" (as i said, i have one of the few sets of old-fashioned gear nobody can get: the officer PvP gear), but it's just the game-design principle. you can't 'identify' anyone anymore. you can't assess another player's skill/experience level by their appearance anymore. that's a fairly key part of PvP, and a fairly integral part of the 'epic' feeling in the world, generally (talking about everyone crowding around certain players in cities who have certain items).

it's just a shallow selling-out of one of the things that defines MMORPGs - itemization - and contributes to the epic feeling, just in order to satisfy an increasingly regressive community's instant appetites. it sucks. the feature adds nothing to the game; it only temporarily gratifies some idiots.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-04-02 09:15:35)

"instead of everyone looking uniform". lol facepalm. specially defined tiers (normally in order of epic appearance, too, before their design department became activision-lite in aesthetic) were a great indicator and marker of a character within a wider server-wide community. honestly there really is no point in the game now. every fuck-off huge amazing mount is easy to get, everyone can look exactly how they want with minimal effort, and everyone is full epic. how does a game's 'reward' or 'achievement' systems maintain coherence or validity, when everyone is rewarded and everyone is achieved? it's a fundamental part of traditional MMO's: not everyone can look amazing, or have the best gear, otherwise the essential rarity and value of that gear becomes meaningless. now everyone is a personal hero for one. a monad in a static universe. it sucks.

funnily enough, as they've added more and more utility to satisfy customers' immediate desires in WoW, the server populations have plummeted. MoP is the least successful expac of all time. most of the worlds top guilds don't even field a 25-man raid team anymore, downsizing to just 10-man raiding (can't even muster 25; a few years ago it was 40 or gtfo). this is the perfect petri-dish experiment in what happens when you remove difficulty and 'you can't have everything you want' elitism in an open-world computer game: people quickly get given everything they want, and then they stop subscribing. no carrot, no stick. just a bedecked vegetable.

and again... where am i intending to brag? i haven't signed in for like 3 years. i've said 3 times now that this trans- system favours me more than anyone else, because i possess one of the armor/weapon sets that is the most inaccessible. i also have a prestigious 'title' that cannot be regained or topped in esteem by any new ezemode-content titles. this system favours me, if anything. i am not complaining because it bothers me on a personal level. these are game critiques, not personal queefs.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-04-02 09:28:13)

because you can no longer tell who is a good player and who isn't. because the status that was conferred by epic-looking gear is now meaningless. honestly, detaching gear-values and stats from the gear's essential and intended appearance is stupid. now someone with the best gear in game could skin themselves in rags. people in green noobie gear can make themselves look like the most experienced vanilla raider. it doesn't make any sense. it is a literally senseless game change.

a dye system gives you individuality. changeable character models gives you individuality. WoW has a goddamn in-game barber, ffs. a tabard or personal guild identity adds to your characters' uniqueness. special vanity mounts make you more recognizable, and at least involve some level of objective- or achievement- based attainment. being able to change your skin to look like whatever you want is retarded.

lol WoW

>paying for MMOs

And Uzi, I'm telling you that the status aspect hasn't gone away. People can still preen in the best gear if they want. They aren't forced to transmogrify their gear, are they?

I'm not being contrarian, like I said, I used to be that guy, but then I realized how utterly pointless it all was and how much of my life I had wasted trying to be the best at a video game. When I quit my gear was in the top 50 in the world for druids according to the armory website. My main literally had a half year of playing time. A half year of my life completely and utterly wasted. Talking about status in a video game just makes my skin crawl at this point. It's about maturity and perspective.

Last edited by Jay (2013-04-02 10:03:08)

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

transmog makes it so that you can permanently make all your gear look like something else. that really doesn't bother you? it's ridiculous. bunch of idiots running around in tier2 when the only time they ever touched a raid of that difficulty was when they were 30 levels above it, solo-ing it.

that's true. but i mean there are some people that legitimately did the content at the time it was released. it's not like transmog itself is the problem. for example, i could go farm up shadowmourne or something and wield it just as easily as transmogging my current axe into it. transmog just makes it more convenient (you don't have to swap out weapons/armor to go from looking good to being statistically relevant)

WoW is a good game which I payed and played for like 3 months like 5 years ago. Then I realized its not worth the monthly money to play a video game.

Enjoy playing with Kung fu panda.

Roc18 wrote:

WoW is a good game which I payed and played for like 3 months like 5 years ago. Then I realized its not worth the monthly money to play a video game.

Enjoy playing with Kung fu panda.

have never played MoP but thanks. about 15 million people at its peak disagreed with you about the oh-so-crippling $9 monthly fee. "it's not worth it" is a pretty laughable rationalization. the monthly fee is about as much as two beers here. not worth it to swap out a game you'd play for maybe 20 hours a week on average for 2 beers? ok.

enjoy food stamps.