BF2S Forums Gun politics, firearms ownership, and US 2nd amendment discussion

13urnzz wrote:

13rin wrote:

Nothing to do with that.  2nd amendment.

as previously stated, i'm a gun owner. i live in THE least restrictive state in the Union (Utah). i feel there should be discourse concerning gun ownership, and the right s of individuals attached to said ownership.

i am completely legal. i have the firepower and the ammunition to recreate the tragedy that just happened in Connecticut.

why do people flock to the 2nd Amendment when we have both a !st Amendment and a Preamble?

is that your legal defense?

Why so scared to have a discussion?

is the political divide so deep that American's can't reach a consensus on anything, that everything has to be all or nothing?

WTF?

Because you end up arguing with idiots that can't even define the thing they hate. I think gun rights advocates are just tired of being bothered all the time by people who have never even held a gun outside of a video game. They start talking about things like 'assault rifles' and you can't help but roll your eyes until you realize that these morons have a vote just like yours. It's easier to just say "2nd Amendment" and walk away. It takes less time than poking myriad holes in their half assed ideas.

edit - AR is proving my point right now in this thread.

Last edited by Jay (2012-12-15 16:40:38)

Ty wrote:

13rin you are such a fucking idiot and without fail you prove this every time you try and respond to someone. I'm not going to counter anything you wrote because I'd have to wade through too many fucking misapprehensions and you'd be too fucking stupid to take on any corrections I made anyway. Just let me say that once again you made an ass-backwards and incorrect interpretation and came across as a gibbering redneck simpleton who lacks any ability to communicate beyond grunts and wild hand gestures. Well done on that.

Ah, Ty the great blithering know-it-all asshole responds... With a personal attack.... GG Mod, GG.  Fine then.   

First, Hahahah...  Whatever.  Second, You couldn't form a logical argument if your life depended upon it (for your sake you better hope it never does).  I'm glad your country restricts you from firearm ownership.  You probably shouldn't have access to one.  Wait, actually aren't you in the NZ army (that and the NZ army is a joke itself).  Why does your country even bother with that?  Pending invasion of kangaroos swimming over from Australia?  You should just go all Switzerland like and be neutral as no one really cares what the almost auzzies think anyways.  Hopefully you'll get TK'd before you accidentally hurt a real soldier (that wouldn't be one from NZ either, but one from a real army).

Simple fact of the matter is you don't know shit about gun control with respect to US policies.  And it shows.  Misapprehension?  No, I understood you perfectly.  You made the typical douchbag, bullshit, anti-gun arguments that fail just as hard today as they did in the past.   And you're too fucking stupid to even defend your position.  So again,  I just laugh at you. 

Thanks for the karma.  I 1 guard it though... And so yet again, I laugh at you.  You prove nothing but that you can still fail hard.

you will pry my Ruger from my cold, dead hands.

13urnzz wrote:

as previously stated, i'm a gun owner. i live in THE least restrictive state in the Union (Utah). i feel there should be discourse concerning gun ownership, and the right s of individuals attached to said ownership.

i am completely legal. i have the firepower and the ammunition to recreate the tragedy that just happened in Connecticut.

why do people flock to the 2nd Amendment when we have both a !st Amendment and a Preamble?

is that your legal defense?

Why so scared to have a discussion?

is the political divide so deep that American's can't reach a consensus on anything, that everything has to be all or nothing?

WTF?

But, there has been a discourse with respect to gun ownership... It has been going on for decades, is going on now, and will continue long past your or my time on this spinning orb.

I guess I'll pull the 2nd Amendment because I get tired of constantly explaining myself as I'm constantly arguing with people who are too retarded to understand (Ty).

Ya... Thanks, I never thought of you as such 13.... Me too, I'd like to stop these things.  It's just nuts that at the end of the day no one can prevent something like this from happening regardless of what is done.

13rin wrote:

Ya... Thanks, I never thought of you as such 13.... Me too, I'd like to stop these things.  It's just nuts that at the end of the day no one can prevent something like this from happening regardless of what is done.

Honestly, I blame the idiots for making it such an issue in the first place. I can't tell you how many people were writing shit like 'if they armed teachers stuff like this would never happen'. Really, you want teachers armed now? Other people were posting links to donate money to the Brady Foundation. The entire conversation has gotten exceedingly stupid. One side wants to ban weapons that weren't even involved in the crime, and the other side wants everyone in the country settled into a state of MAD. Enough already.

Last edited by Jay (2012-12-15 17:04:46)

Macbeth wrote:

Gun safes.

gun safes would provide authorities to the name and age of the emo little bitches that rescued a SturmGeweher from it in New Jersey, drove away for lunch, and opened up on some kindergartners and their teachers.

that's one way to look at it, i guess . . .

13rin wrote:

Jay wrote:

For home defense? Shotgun with #1 buck loaded. Don't have to worry about it tearing through walls.

Yea, the AR is more fun or anarchy guy type gun.  In the home defense is the Kimber.   I've got an 870 express, but I dunno... I'd be weary of someone grabbing the barrel on a corner or something.  But I have turned a person at 2am that was thinking of coming into my home just by merely racking it.  Meh, If you're wanting to stay shotty style though, look at the Judge.

I have a Mossburg Maverick that sounds nasty when you rack it. Showed the wife how to hold it and load it.


And to put Macbeths mind to rest, I bought a safe before I bought a gun.

13urnzz wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Gun safes.

gun safes would provide authorities to the name and age of the emo little bitches that rescued a SturmGeweher from it in New Jersey, drove away for lunch, and opened up on some kindergartners and their teachers.

that's one way to look at it, i guess . . .

Both J & you had great posts above that cannot be refuted, too bad I all ready karm'ed you both today.

The problem with a gun safe isn't the safe itself.  It actually boils down to an argument of discrimination.  When the State attempts to put hurdles and obstacles that as a result infringes on a constitutional right, they will get struck down in court.  Without an amendment to the Constitution's 2nd amendment, requiring someone to own a safe to own a gun is akin to a poll tax to vote.  Can't afford it?  Then too bad.... It will lose every time.

i wouldn't mind a trigger lock. but then again, i don't have kids.
the right to personal privacy in my mind is sacrosanct, and my gun ownership goes along with that.
the fact that only half of my guns are registered do not keep me up at night, or the fact that the state government might tax me on them.

what keeps me up at night is the phone call that the server went down, or that my father-in-law was admitted yet again for shallow breathing.
the realities of real life dictate that if my gun were involved in a mass slaying, i am willing to face the prospect of not securing them.

if they weren't, g t f o and leave me and mine out of it, but let's hang the douche that was found negligent by his heels, in the nearest tree.

Canin wrote:

I bought the safe as more of a piece of mind thing for the wife and because I had small kids than any other reason. Growing up, my dad has his guns and ammo in a glass front gun case in the basement. Not once did I want to break into it and play GI JOE or commando with them.

Ditto.  I use it more due the fact that any retard could put a brick through my sliding glass door and ransack away until the cops show up.  Also having a type III device and me not being with it is required.  As to kids, my Son understands the destructiveness of firearms and respects them.  I wish I could get away with using a glass cabinet as my guns are pretty too....

Hell, that's an unexplored niche...   They make hurricane proof glass that will take serious punishment.... Why not incorporating that into a safe but with the looks of a display like cabinet.  That'd be sweet.

Macbeth wrote:

without an amendment to the Constitution's 2nd amendment, requiring someone to own a safe to own a gun is akin to a poll tax to vote.

wat

Erm no.

Arguing a gun safe is like a poll tax is like arguing that paying taxes on a gun or paying for a permit is unconstitutional.

Do you really want someone who is too poor to take some easy steps towards being a more responsible gun owner owning a bunch of guns? If you can't afford a safe then you can't afford a gun.

Sorry Mac, but one cannot put qualifiers on a Constitutional right.

If you are too poor to own a gun safe, then you can't have a gun.
That is the same as..
If you are too poor to pay the poll tax, then you can't vote.

13rin wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

without an amendment to the Constitution's 2nd amendment, requiring someone to own a safe to own a gun is akin to a poll tax to vote.

wat

Erm no.

Arguing a gun safe is like a poll tax is like arguing that paying taxes on a gun or paying for a permit is unconstitutional.

Do you really want someone who is too poor to take some easy steps towards being a more responsible gun owner owning a bunch of guns? If you can't afford a safe then you can't afford a gun.

Sorry Mac, but one cannot put qualifiers on a Constitutional right.

If you are too poor to own a gun safe, then you can't have a gun.
That is the same as..
If you are too poor to pay the poll tax, then you can't vote.

Government should be giving guns away for free?