Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6920
Religion and science were once one in the same. The arts of alchemy and chemistry stem from one source. Shahter, I don't understand how you can claim that science doesn't try to answer the big questions. Science simply admits to our limited knowledge of the cosmos. Religion that attempts to answer beyond the reach of the known is clearly the work of men trying to trick you.


Whatever sixth sense we imagine are the hollow echoes of our mind. Flickers of memories and feelings.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2011-12-28 04:49:59)

Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7003|Moscow, Russia
@SM: you are speaking in tongues there, man. maybe you need to rest.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6920
Tongues? My writing is pretty clear.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6227|...
The belief in a personal god that drifts over the planet sprinkling miracles and dishing out eternal damnation is idiotic and childish. The idea originates from people who lived in the stone age and who knew nothing of the world around them.... a reality check would be visiting a medicine man somewhere in the African bush and seeing the intellectual/spiritual equivalent of the 'prophets' worshipped in most of the organized religions we have today. You'd laugh at his rituals and beliefs, yet the sad truth is that it's exactly the same shit.

The 'religions of the world' base themselves on nothing more than the writings of some schizophrenic, psychotic cavemen and theirs are dangerous to boot.  In the past I used to wave off allegations that religion contributes to radicalism and, like many, stated that "the message is pure" and "oh it's not the fault of X religion that kids strap bombs to their bodies and blow themselves up" but actually it is. The system promotes indoctrination, zealotry and ignorance. Surrendering your conscious to a religion is something that is praised in the respective 'holy' books, these also provide plenty contradictions so that once someone accepts it as the only valid truth he/she can now easily find the reasons and justification to do the most despicable things. The existence of islamic, christian, jewish radicalism (and I'm sure radicalism in many more religions) is, for a large part, the fault of these books and their teachings. On one hand it can manifest itself in some locking themselves up in monasteries for the rest of their lives, on the other hand it can lead to people conducting suicide bombings and wars based on some 2000+ years old scribblings. The latter is a problem and the sad part is that in many cases the only cure seems to be taking a bullet to the face.

What's clear is that the morality and "lessons" these religions teach are horribly outdated and have no place in our modern society, these and their systems belong in the past for us to read about in history books. I sincerely hope to see each and every one of them either die out or are significantly marginalised in my lifetime, I'm no longer willing to give these glorified circuses any respect or room whatsoever. Having recently followed lectures on the history of many religions and being taught by a theologist who did nothing but try and justify all the wrongdoings or otherwise ignoring them has greatly contributed to this militant stance tbh. All of it is ridiculous.

That said, I subscribe to complete agnosticism and like the idea of Spinoza's god.

Last edited by Shocking (2011-12-28 05:49:31)

inane little opines
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7003|Moscow, Russia

Superior Mind wrote:

Tongues? My writing is pretty clear.
maybe. my english is, admittedly, pretty poor. i meant i don't deal in "echoes of the mind" and "flickers of memories".
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6920

Shocking wrote:

The belief in a personal god that drifts over the planet sprinkling miracles and dishing out eternal damnation is idiotic and childish. The idea originates from people who lived in the stone age and who knew nothing of the world around them.... a reality check would be visiting a medicine man somewhere in the African bush and seeing the intellectual/spiritual equivalent of the 'prophets' worshipped in most of the organized religions we have today. You'd laugh at his rituals and beliefs, yet the sad truth is that it's exactly the same shit.
Clearly you know very little on the origins of human knowledge.


Shahter wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Tongues? My writing is pretty clear.
maybe. my english is, admittedly, pretty poor. i meant i don't deal in "echoes of the mind" and "flickers of memories".
Well then you are simply lost in translation. I can assure you any native English speak will understand what that means.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2011-12-28 05:33:04)

Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6227|...

Superior Mind wrote:

Clearly you know very little on the origins of human knowledge.
Enlighten me, please.
inane little opines
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6920
You say stone age people knew nothing of the world around them. Consider all of the things you would have to know to survive in a stone-age society.

And why would you laugh at the work of an African medicine man?

The herbalists knowledge was built up over millions of years of trial and error so as to know the various qualities of all the plants that surround them. This is as much a body of science as any other.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7003|Moscow, Russia

Superior Mind wrote:

Shahter wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Tongues? My writing is pretty clear.
maybe. my english is, admittedly, pretty poor. i meant i don't deal in "echoes of the mind" and "flickers of memories".
Well then you are simply lost in translation. I can assure you any native English speak will understand what that means.
oh, i can assure you, i understand perfectly well what the words you used mean literally as well as metaphorically. the problem is all that shit would probably be good if i was a chick and you were trying to woo me but not for much of anything else.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6227|...

Superior Mind wrote:

You say stone age people knew nothing of the world around them. Consider all of the things you would have to know to survive in a stone-age society.
Stone age people saw miracles and the work of god in things we now know are simply natural occurrences. Compared to us they really didn't know much, if anything, yet their LSD-induced writings still have authority today.

Superior Mind wrote:

And why would you laugh at the work of an African medicine man?

The herbalists knowledge was built up over millions of years of trial and error so as to know the various qualities of all the plants that surround them. This is as much a body of science as any other.
Medicine men did more than just heal people, in the context of my writings I'm referring to the spiritual leader aspect.
inane little opines
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6698

Shocking wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

You say stone age people knew nothing of the world around them. Consider all of the things you would have to know to survive in a stone-age society.
Stone age people saw miracles and the work of god in things we now know are simply natural occurrences. Compared to us they really didn't know much, if anything, yet their LSD-induced writings still have authority today.

Superior Mind wrote:

And why would you laugh at the work of an African medicine man?

The herbalists knowledge was built up over millions of years of trial and error so as to know the various qualities of all the plants that surround them. This is as much a body of science as any other.
Medicine men did more than just heal people, in the context of my writings I'm referring to the spiritual leader aspect.
"the only remaining magic is art"

i think it's pretty ludicrous to say that all spiritualist or transcendentalist writings of the stone-age were the results of LSD experimentation. i mean, come on.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,054|6850|Little Bentcock
they probably didnt even have lsd back then, man.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6227|Vortex Ring State
peyote then
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6999|PNW

Superior Mind wrote:

Uzique wrote:

everyday nature is completely absurd too... so if the divine is absurd... ?
Yes, but nature is within our realm of knowable sensations. If you want to start questing all reality then why bother with this thread.

Dilbert, thank you for validating my point.
And nature simultaneously lies outside of our realm of knowable sensations. There's a reason why "proving god exists" is such an impossible task.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7002|Noizyland

You can't prove a negative.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7003|Moscow, Russia
i can prove 2x2 does not equal 5.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7002|Noizyland

Huh, I've been out-smartassed.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7003|Moscow, Russia
Free schools that teach 'intelligent design' as science will lose funding

The Guardian wrote:

Leading scientists and naturalists, including Professor Richard Dawkins and Sir David Attenborough, are claiming a victory over the creationist movement after the government ratified measures that will bar anti-evolution groups from teaching creationism in science classes.

The Department for Education has revised its model funding agreement, allowing the education secretary to withdraw cash from schools that fail to meet strict criteria relating to what they teach. Under the new agreement, funding will be withdrawn for any free school that teaches what it claims are "evidence-based views or theories" that run "contrary to established scientific and/or historical evidence and explanations".

Richard Dawkins wrote:

It is clear that some faith schools are ignoring the regulations and are continuing to teach myth as though it were science. Evolution is fact, supported by evidence from a host of scientific disciplines, and we do a great disservice to our young people if we fail to teach it properly.
it's nice to see that common sense is still in use in this world.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6633|North Carolina

Shahter wrote:

Free schools that teach 'intelligent design' as science will lose funding

The Guardian wrote:

Leading scientists and naturalists, including Professor Richard Dawkins and Sir David Attenborough, are claiming a victory over the creationist movement after the government ratified measures that will bar anti-evolution groups from teaching creationism in science classes.

The Department for Education has revised its model funding agreement, allowing the education secretary to withdraw cash from schools that fail to meet strict criteria relating to what they teach. Under the new agreement, funding will be withdrawn for any free school that teaches what it claims are "evidence-based views or theories" that run "contrary to established scientific and/or historical evidence and explanations".

Richard Dawkins wrote:

It is clear that some faith schools are ignoring the regulations and are continuing to teach myth as though it were science. Evolution is fact, supported by evidence from a host of scientific disciplines, and we do a great disservice to our young people if we fail to teach it properly.
it's nice to see that common sense is still in use in this world.
It sounds the UK has worse problems with education, in some respects, than we do....

I'm glad they're attempting to fix this problem, but it's kind of sad that it was an issue to begin with.

Last edited by Turquoise (2012-01-16 12:44:01)

rdx-fx
...
+955|6819

Shahter wrote:

it's nice to see that common sense is still in use in this world.
Common sense isn't common, and what generally passes for sense doesn't make any sense.

But still, a refreshing change of pace, when one actually encounters it.
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5406|Sydney

Adams_BJ wrote:

they probably didnt even have lsd back then, man.
LSD was first created in 1938 by Albert Hofmann.
heggs
Spamalamadingdong
+581|6616|New York
The fundamental problem with religion is that it's a device created by Man, and often used as a way to brainwash the vulnerable.

The books were written by Man and then interpreted by Man. Last time I checked, people can and do interpret things differently, and have a silly way of being corrupt once in power. How the bloody hell can you feel confident that the Bible is the Word of God? How do you not know that a few words weren't changed to meet the author's opinion? Also, whenever anything is translated, there will always be some misinterpretation.

My point is that, even if you do believe this stuff, how can you be confident that you're not being scammed to all fuck to believe something that isn't true?
Remember Me As A Time Of Day
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6920
Religious schools should never be able to replace full time secular learning. Every one who is born in a scientific society deserves a "real" education in truthful sciences and history. A larger question to ask is whether it is a human right to have a "real" education. Certainly many places exist where an education is either sacred or it is none at all. Does knowledge really equal power or do we just imagine to have this power via knowledge over the uninformed? It's not like knowing certain facts about the cosmos is imperative to have a good and happy life, or is it? Is it only important that this knowledge be agreed upon within scientific societies? Suppose someone like Shifty were born in Islamic Republic of X. Would we think twice about him being a zealot?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6633|North Carolina

Uzique wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

You say stone age people knew nothing of the world around them. Consider all of the things you would have to know to survive in a stone-age society.
Stone age people saw miracles and the work of god in things we now know are simply natural occurrences. Compared to us they really didn't know much, if anything, yet their LSD-induced writings still have authority today.

Superior Mind wrote:

And why would you laugh at the work of an African medicine man?

The herbalists knowledge was built up over millions of years of trial and error so as to know the various qualities of all the plants that surround them. This is as much a body of science as any other.
Medicine men did more than just heal people, in the context of my writings I'm referring to the spiritual leader aspect.
"the only remaining magic is art"

i think it's pretty ludicrous to say that all spiritualist or transcendentalist writings of the stone-age were the results of LSD experimentation. i mean, come on.
Opiates more likely...

Last edited by Turquoise (2012-01-16 15:20:23)

Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5406|Sydney

heggs wrote:

The fundamental problem with religion is that it's a device created by Man, and often used as a way to brainwash the vulnerable.

The books were written by Man and then interpreted by Man. Last time I checked, people can and do interpret things differently, and have a silly way of being corrupt once in power. How the bloody hell can you feel confident that the Bible is the Word of God? How do you not know that a few words weren't changed to meet the author's opinion? Also, whenever anything is translated, there will always be some misinterpretation.

My point is that, even if you do believe this stuff, how can you be confident that you're not being scammed to all fuck to believe something that isn't true?
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