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Someone didn't pay attention in history class. Germany declared was on the US after Pearl Harbor, not the other way around.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
its marine, what the hell fuck did you expect?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
That was because we were supporting the war effort via supplies and shit.Jay wrote:
Someone didn't pay attention in history class. Germany declared was on the US after Pearl Harbor, not the other way around.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Nah, it was because Hitler was a megalomaniac.13rin wrote:
That was because we were supporting the war effort via supplies and shit.Jay wrote:
Someone didn't pay attention in history class. Germany declared was on the US after Pearl Harbor, not the other way around.
Adolf Hitler wrote:
The fact that the Japanese Government, which has been negotiating for years with this man, has at last become tired of being mocked by him in such an unworthy way, fills us all, the German people, and all other decent people in the world, with deep satisfaction...Germany and Italy have been finally compelled, in view of this, and in loyalty to the Tri-Partite Pact, to carry on the struggle against the U.S.A. and England jointly and side by side with Japan for the defense and thus for the maintenance of the liberty and independence of their nations and empires...As a consequence of the further extension of President Roosevelt's policy, which is aimed at unrestricted world domination and dictatorship, the U.S.A. together with England have not hesitated from using any means to dispute the rights of the German, Italian and Japanese nations to the basis of their natural existence...Not only because we are the ally of Japan, but also because Germany and Italy have enough insight and strength to comprehend that, in these historic times, the existence or non-existence of the nations, is being decided perhaps forever.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Won't argue with the megalomaniac part. Shoulda waited to attack the USSR.Jay wrote:
Nah, it was because Hitler was a megalomaniac.
I think a conflict with the US was inevitable and Hitler knew it. His timing sucked ass. He wanted Britannia. Only way to get it was if he could effect a good blockade and cut them off from the rest of the world. In order to do so, he had to turn his UBoats loose.Adolf Hitler wrote:
The fact that the Japanese Government, which has been negotiating for years with this man, has at last become tired of being mocked by him in such an unworthy way, fills us all, the German people, and all other decent people in the world, with deep satisfaction...Germany and Italy have been finally compelled, in view of this, and in loyalty to the Tri-Partite Pact, to carry on the struggle against the U.S.A. and England jointly and side by side with Japan for the defense and thus for the maintenance of the liberty and independence of their nations and empires...As a consequence of the further extension of President Roosevelt's policy, which is aimed at unrestricted world domination and dictatorship, the U.S.A. together with England have not hesitated from using any means to dispute the rights of the German, Italian and Japanese nations to the basis of their natural existence...Not only because we are the ally of Japan, but also because Germany and Italy have enough insight and strength to comprehend that, in these historic times, the existence or non-existence of the nations, is being decided perhaps forever.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
his timing did suck ass...13rin wrote:
Won't argue with the megalomaniac part. Shoulda waited to attack the USSR.Jay wrote:
Nah, it was because Hitler was a megalomaniac.I think a conflict with the US was inevitable and Hitler knew it. His timing sucked ass. He wanted Britannia. Only way to get it was if he could effect a good blockade and cut them off from the rest of the world. In order to do so, he had to turn his UBoats loose.Adolf Hitler wrote:
The fact that the Japanese Government, which has been negotiating for years with this man, has at last become tired of being mocked by him in such an unworthy way, fills us all, the German people, and all other decent people in the world, with deep satisfaction...Germany and Italy have been finally compelled, in view of this, and in loyalty to the Tri-Partite Pact, to carry on the struggle against the U.S.A. and England jointly and side by side with Japan for the defense and thus for the maintenance of the liberty and independence of their nations and empires...As a consequence of the further extension of President Roosevelt's policy, which is aimed at unrestricted world domination and dictatorship, the U.S.A. together with England have not hesitated from using any means to dispute the rights of the German, Italian and Japanese nations to the basis of their natural existence...Not only because we are the ally of Japan, but also because Germany and Italy have enough insight and strength to comprehend that, in these historic times, the existence or non-existence of the nations, is being decided perhaps forever.
shoulda taken his enemies on one at a time...
tbh his best plan would've been to knock all of western europe out, including britain... if he concentrated all his forces Britain would've fallen before the US would have a chance to intervene. Then focus on the USSR (with japan's halp) and the US
he couldn't. stalin would stab him in the back. hitler's diplomatic maneuvers between ussr and the west were actually very good and the timing, at least with regards to his attack on ussr, was just about perfect - several more months and soviet army would have finished being moved and would be ready to receive on the western border, while all the undustry stalin build up for war would've been evacuated - or ready to be evacuated - east. blitz krieg against ussr wouldn't have been possible at all. as it happened, nazies caught ussr by surprise and all the regrouping and evacuation had to be done on the fly. that's the only reason nazies got as far as they did.Trotskygrad wrote:
his timing did suck ass...
shoulda taken his enemies on one at a time...
tbh his best plan would've been to knock all of western europe out, including britain... if he concentrated all his forces Britain would've fallen before the US would have a chance to intervene. Then focus on the USSR (with japan's halp) and the US
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Think it was right of us to go kill NAZIs, but have us get to Berlin first before the Russians(that is what personally made me pissed off at Roosevelt, being too nice to the USSR). Then attack USSR as they are just as bad as Germany.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
lol
why?Macbeth wrote:
Uh didn't Germany declare war on the U.S. after we declared war on Japan? Can't stay out of Europe in that case.
i dont think i said otherwise, jay. but thank you.Jay wrote:
Someone didn't pay attention in history class. Germany declared was on the US after Pearl Harbor, not the other way around.
what does that have to do with asking the question?
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well arguably Nazi Germany could've finished up the war with britain a lot earlier if he focused on bombing military targets in the battle of britain.Shahter wrote:
he couldn't. stalin would stab him in the back. hitler's diplomatic maneuvers between ussr and the west were actually very good and the timing, at least with regards to his attack on ussr, was just about perfect - several more months and soviet army would have finished being moved and would be ready to receive on the western border, while all the undustry stalin build up for war would've been evacuated - or ready to be evacuated - east. blitz krieg against ussr wouldn't have been possible at all. as it happened, nazies caught ussr by surprise and all the regrouping and evacuation had to be done on the fly. that's the only reason nazies got as far as they did.Trotskygrad wrote:
his timing did suck ass...
shoulda taken his enemies on one at a time...
tbh his best plan would've been to knock all of western europe out, including britain... if he concentrated all his forces Britain would've fallen before the US would have a chance to intervene. Then focus on the USSR (with japan's halp) and the US
depends, it's the what-if game all over again.
Weeeeell, although I did say it wasn't America's war in the other thread, cheeky did raise a fair point. Considering that the US participated in WW1 and helped decide its aftermath (which was one of the causes of WW2), it was only fair that the US participated in WW2.
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inane little opines
as i said, stalin was on the move. by focusing in britain, hitler would allow stalin to finish fortifying the new western border of ussr. plus, you are forgetting the climate: blitz krieg cannot happen in autumn in russia, because nothing can advance when all the roads turn into mud - that's another coupla months for soviets to prepare. as i said, hitler's timing was perfect, it's just that ussr turned out too be too much for him - still, it was a pretty close call.Trotskygrad wrote:
well arguably Nazi Germany could've finished up the war with britain a lot earlier if he focused on bombing military targets in the battle of britain.Shahter wrote:
he couldn't. stalin would stab him in the back. hitler's diplomatic maneuvers between ussr and the west were actually very good and the timing, at least with regards to his attack on ussr, was just about perfect - several more months and soviet army would have finished being moved and would be ready to receive on the western border, while all the undustry stalin build up for war would've been evacuated - or ready to be evacuated - east. blitz krieg against ussr wouldn't have been possible at all. as it happened, nazies caught ussr by surprise and all the regrouping and evacuation had to be done on the fly. that's the only reason nazies got as far as they did.Trotskygrad wrote:
his timing did suck ass...
shoulda taken his enemies on one at a time...
tbh his best plan would've been to knock all of western europe out, including britain... if he concentrated all his forces Britain would've fallen before the US would have a chance to intervene. Then focus on the USSR (with japan's halp) and the US
depends, it's the what-if game all over again.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Battle of Britain was supposed to be the end of the UK, it wasn't. That really fucked up Hitler's plan, he was betting it on that one moment really.
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inane little opines
It's rather hard to be isolationist when another country has declared war on you, no?11 Bravo wrote:
i dont think i said otherwise, jay. but thank you.Jay wrote:
Someone didn't pay attention in history class. Germany declared was on the US after Pearl Harbor, not the other way around.
what does that have to do with asking the question?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
not really. not to oversimplify it but....Jay wrote:
It's rather hard to be isolationist when another country has declared war on you, no?11 Bravo wrote:
i dont think i said otherwise, jay. but thank you.Jay wrote:
Someone didn't pay attention in history class. Germany declared was on the US after Pearl Harbor, not the other way around.
what does that have to do with asking the question?
"hey you attacked japan, we declare war on you"
response - "Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me"
"Hey, we don't want to fight you! Stop shooting down our airplanes and sinking our ships you big meanie!"11 Bravo wrote:
not really. not to oversimplify it but....Jay wrote:
It's rather hard to be isolationist when another country has declared war on you, no?11 Bravo wrote:
i dont think i said otherwise, jay. but thank you.
what does that have to do with asking the question?
"hey you attacked japan, we declare war on you"
response - "Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me"
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Rather hard to be an isolationist when German uboats attack your supplies you are sending to foreign countries.Jay wrote:
It's rather hard to be isolationist when another country has declared war on you, no?11 Bravo wrote:
i dont think i said otherwise, jay. but thank you.Jay wrote:
Someone didn't pay attention in history class. Germany declared was on the US after Pearl Harbor, not the other way around.
what does that have to do with asking the question?
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
they shot down planes over the US?Jay wrote:
"Hey, we don't want to fight you! Stop shooting down our airplanes and sinking our ships you big meanie!"11 Bravo wrote:
not really. not to oversimplify it but....Jay wrote:
It's rather hard to be isolationist when another country has declared war on you, no?
"hey you attacked japan, we declare war on you"
response - "Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me"
lesson 1 right there......War Man wrote:
Rather hard to be an isolationist when German uboats attack your supplies you are sending to foreign countries.
Does it matter where they shot down our planes?11 Bravo wrote:
they shot down planes over the US?Jay wrote:
"Hey, we don't want to fight you! Stop shooting down our airplanes and sinking our ships you big meanie!"11 Bravo wrote:
not really. not to oversimplify it but....
"hey you attacked japan, we declare war on you"
response - "Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me"
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
did you have a friend on the good Reuben James?War Man wrote:
Rather hard to be an isolationist when German uboats attack your supplies you are sending to foreign countries.Jay wrote:
It's rather hard to be isolationist when another country has declared war on you, no?11 Bravo wrote:
i dont think i said otherwise, jay. but thank you.
what does that have to do with asking the question?
if we left our planes here then no problem, eh?Jay wrote:
Does it matter where they shot down our planes?11 Bravo wrote:
they shot down planes over the US?Jay wrote:
"Hey, we don't want to fight you! Stop shooting down our airplanes and sinking our ships you big meanie!"