Wow, drama....legislature in exile? hahahahahaJohnG@lt wrote:
The Dems did that in Texas a few years ago. They set up their own legislature in exile in Oklahoma Texas Rangers brought them back.
Right? I'd also fire the 1000 teachers that called in sick that day.SenorToenails wrote:
Wow, if only we all had jobs where we could flee the state to piss off and thwart our colleagues!
Good on them. The whole "We don't like it when we can't win, so we won't 'play' with you" is weak shit. Unions have long been bending over States. Fuck em.JohnG@lt wrote:
The Dems did that in Texas a few years ago. They set up their own legislature in exile in Oklahoma Texas Rangers brought them back.
Ya, I do.AussieReaper wrote:
You know why they are boycotting yeah?
The Repubs want to remove all bargaining power of state employees (with execeptions to police, firefighters, etc).
All that they can petition for is a salary increase and only increase given has to match inflation. You wouldn't accept that if you were looking for work. You'll see public services cut and employees quit.
And yet it's the Democrats who are labelled job killers for wanting to better healthcare services?
I understand why there is a problem. Fleeing the state while high-fiving protesters is a bit dramatic, don't you think?AussieReaper wrote:
You know why they are boycotting yeah?
The Repubs want to remove all bargaining power of state employees (with execeptions to police, firefighters, etc).
All that they can petition for is a salary increase and only increase given has to match inflation. You wouldn't accept that if you were looking for work. You'll see public services cut and employees quit.
And yet it's the Democrats who are labelled job killers for wanting to better healthcare services?
They still can get a larger raise, if supported by the public at large. They also can't force people to pay union dues, which is pretty sweet. My sister is stuck into one of those unions...it does nothing for her, but she has to pay them dues? And that job is part-time..."Unions still could represent workers, but could not seek pay increases above those pegged to the Consumer Price Index unless approved by a public referendum. Unions also could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized."
Warman is a close friend of mine.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I find it interesting that Reaper has such an interest in Wisconsin politics.
Public sector unions are an abomination.AussieReaper wrote:
You know why they are boycotting yeah?
The Repubs want to remove all bargaining power of state employees (with execeptions to police, firefighters, etc).
All that they can petition for is a salary increase and only increase given has to match inflation. You wouldn't accept that if you were looking for work. You'll see public services cut and employees quit.
And yet it's the Democrats who are labelled job killers for wanting to better healthcare services?
The basic problem is they want private sector pay scales and public sector benefits, unions let them achieve both.JohnG@lt wrote:
Public sector unions are an abomination.AussieReaper wrote:
You know why they are boycotting yeah?
The Repubs want to remove all bargaining power of state employees (with execeptions to police, firefighters, etc).
All that they can petition for is a salary increase and only increase given has to match inflation. You wouldn't accept that if you were looking for work. You'll see public services cut and employees quit.
And yet it's the Democrats who are labelled job killers for wanting to better healthcare services?
It especially includes teachers unions. Tell me how this makes sense... teachers here have cost of living increases built into their contracts. If the cost of living is rising will this not be reflected in tax receipts? Why is it that the teachers union comes hat in hand to every local school district asking for property tax rate increases to pay for those built in cost of living adjustments? So every year they get a larger and larger chunk of the pie and their job doesn't change. They perform the same task for 40 years, year in and year out, and yet they constantly receive higher pay for it. Please name any other job in the world where the same is true.AussieReaper wrote:
Does that include teachers unions?
You would expect different from people who choose that career path because A) it won't get in the way of them having a family, B) it gives them summers off and breaks throughout the year, C) job for life via tenure and D) there is no drug testing so they can continue to fry their brains on a nightly basis? I know quite a few teachers and there are maybe 3 that I would want within ten feet of my kids brain.Spark wrote:
Wow. Your teachers are proper shit then.
sounds like you sat in the corner with your desk facing the wall. Did a teacher molest you or something?JohnG@lt wrote:
It especially includes teachers unions. Tell me how this makes sense... teachers here have cost of living increases built into their contracts. If the cost of living is rising will this not be reflected in tax receipts? Why is it that the teachers union comes hat in hand to every local school district asking for property tax rate increases to pay for those built in cost of living adjustments? So every year they get a larger and larger chunk of the pie and their job doesn't change. They perform the same task for 40 years, year in and year out, and yet they constantly receive higher pay for it. Please name any other job in the world where the same is true.AussieReaper wrote:
Does that include teachers unions?
Now, aside from all that, teachers like to point a loaded gun at parents. They'll sit in class and make comments about parents being greedy so little Johnny goes home and tells his daddy to vote in favor of the tax increase. Or they threaten sports, or the arts, or any number of other things.
Sorry, but teachers are way down on my list of people that require my sympathy. Overpaid babysitters the lot of them.
Your mom was my kindergarten teacher?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
sounds like you sat in the corner with your desk facing the wall. Did a teacher molest you or something?JohnG@lt wrote:
It especially includes teachers unions. Tell me how this makes sense... teachers here have cost of living increases built into their contracts. If the cost of living is rising will this not be reflected in tax receipts? Why is it that the teachers union comes hat in hand to every local school district asking for property tax rate increases to pay for those built in cost of living adjustments? So every year they get a larger and larger chunk of the pie and their job doesn't change. They perform the same task for 40 years, year in and year out, and yet they constantly receive higher pay for it. Please name any other job in the world where the same is true.AussieReaper wrote:
Does that include teachers unions?
Now, aside from all that, teachers like to point a loaded gun at parents. They'll sit in class and make comments about parents being greedy so little Johnny goes home and tells his daddy to vote in favor of the tax increase. Or they threaten sports, or the arts, or any number of other things.
Sorry, but teachers are way down on my list of people that require my sympathy. Overpaid babysitters the lot of them.
I was skinny back then.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
no she no like fatties
I do believe tenure should be eliminated from public primary and secondary schools. Let schools determine appropriate metrics for performance based pay.JohnG@lt wrote:
You would expect different from people who choose that career path because A) it won't get in the way of them having a family, B) it gives them summers off and breaks throughout the year, C) job for life via tenure and D) there is no drug testing so they can continue to fry their brains on a nightly basis? I know quite a few teachers and there are maybe 3 that I would want within ten feet of my kids brain.Spark wrote:
Wow. Your teachers are proper shit then.
I'm mostly autodidactic. I had a handful of good teachers in grade school but most were turds who couldn't explain how to draw a box without a lesson plan in front of them.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
i'm just wondering where are your hatred for teachers comes from? Seems like you learned some things in school, was this in spite of the public education system?
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I thought this was the funniest paragraph. It wasn't broad and sweeping at all.JohnG@lt wrote:
Now, aside from all that, teachers like to point a loaded gun at parents. They'll sit in class and make comments about parents being greedy so little Johnny goes home and tells his daddy to vote in favor of the tax increase. Or they threaten sports, or the arts, or any number of other things.
Shrug. I experienced it many times as a kid. Teachers would use their students as weapons against their parents whenever a budget meeting came up. If the budget was voted down they would immediately cancel all after school programs which would make the kids howl even louder.AussieReaper wrote:
I thought this was the funniest paragraph. It wasn't broad and sweeping at all.JohnG@lt wrote:
Now, aside from all that, teachers like to point a loaded gun at parents. They'll sit in class and make comments about parents being greedy so little Johnny goes home and tells his daddy to vote in favor of the tax increase. Or they threaten sports, or the arts, or any number of other things.
Never happened to me, lol...I think a lot of your experiences can hardly be condsidered a rule...I had a completely different experience throughout school. I had many teachers who challenged and engaged me, but I also had parents who did the same. My public school education was pretty damn good.JohnG@lt wrote:
Shrug. I experienced it many times as a kid. Teachers would use their students as weapons against their parents whenever a budget meeting came up. If the budget was voted down they would immediately cancel all after school programs which would make the kids howl even louder.AussieReaper wrote:
I thought this was the funniest paragraph. It wasn't broad and sweeping at all.JohnG@lt wrote:
Now, aside from all that, teachers like to point a loaded gun at parents. They'll sit in class and make comments about parents being greedy so little Johnny goes home and tells his daddy to vote in favor of the tax increase. Or they threaten sports, or the arts, or any number of other things.
