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Jenspm wrote:

Snake wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

God I hate Red Bull, Alonso was only 2 thousandths of a second behind his pole time. I hope he does Vettel in on the first lap tomorrow

I sat there and thought "what happened if both times were exactly the same to the 1000th of a second?"...and realised I don't actually know Anybody know?

they'd probably make a new rule making sure Alonso starts second.

Who, the Ferrari International Assistance? Wouldn't dream of it

Hopefully they both get black flagged.

First time Ive ever changed the channel during a race. Absolutely despicable.

Im glad I turned back over for the podium and after-race thoughts: Stefano is a flat-faced liar and joked about it, EJ was spot-on about everything he said and Massa was not happy...I was waiting for him to give an outburst: but fair play, he didnt.

Alonso was very happy with the result: Im not surprised; hes won on race-fixing before so hes experienced in this area.


If Ferrari dont get disqualified, I will be really really surprised, disappointed and disgusted in the FIA.

First F1 I've watched in a while as I was pretty bored, will be the last one I watch aswell, nothing happened after the first corner, apart from you know what.

Todays race has just reaffirmed my opinion on why MotoGP is a lot better, take the Fiat Yamaha team for example, Rossi's and Lorenzo's engineers don't even exchange info on the bike setups etc, they both want to win it so much, which is how it should be. I don't want to tune in to see a race where the riders race against everyone but their team mate.

I don't know how Ferrari can get away with it, especially that prick at the end that Eddie collared, wanker.

E: Jens, Massa kind of did in the press conference, it took some restraint to not blow his top and start swearing about it there lol.

Last edited by Surgeons (2010-07-25 07:25:01)

Alonso's explanation of it was so shitty too lol, why did they even try to hide it when it was so blatant.

Kez wrote:

Well obviously, why would Massa want to be denied a special win and also a way back into the Championship fight? If I was him I'd also make it incredibly obvious (he wasn't even on full throttle ffs it was so blatant)

I support Alonso, but what was done was just ridiculous.

Alonso was clearly faster than Massa all the way through, but if a driver can hold off another car until told by the stewards that he's blocking a faster car, then he should be able to keep his position. Nobody knows how the contracts stand with Alonso and Massa, but my guess is that it goes something like

"If Alonso or Massa have a significant lead in points over the other driver, then the lesser driver who is in front will be considered to let the driver with more points run through."

Or something like that. Stupid, nonetheless.

Kez wrote:

I don't agree that Alonso was clearly faster than Massa, I was following the timings and for the first stint they were even at times with both of them taking tenths out of each other every so often. Eventually both went onto Prime tyres Massa pulled out a 3 seconds gap within a matter of laps so at that stage of the Grand Prix Massa was quicker.

They got an $100,000 fine, result stands but they've also been reported to the World Motorsport Council, who are complete and utter bastards when handing out punishments. McLaren got $100million fine in 2007 and disqualification from the World Championship and also a suspended 2 race ban in 2009. I've heard that Ferrari can expect anything from a race ban or disqualification from the Constructors Championship

Massa was faster than Alonso for the most part, probably except for the few laps (and when Alonso closed that 3.5second lead). To be frank, it doesn't matter if Alonso is "a lot faster than Massa", he should still have to overtake him if he wants the lead: and if he is "that much quicker", it should be no problem.
It did make me wonder in the press conference, because Alonso admitted that Massa was quicker at points throughout the race, whereas at other times, Alonso was faster. Ferrari/Domenicali's arguement that Alonso was faster does not stack up.

A 100K fine is nothing for Ferrari: sell extra car this month and that is recovered easily, nevermind the championship points that they have gained. Seeing as McLaren have been assraped by the WMC, as point out, I expect Ferrari to get a massive penalty and/or fine for this.
I am surprised that the result stands though...

Zimmer wrote:

Nobody knows how the contracts stand with Alonso and Massa, but my guess is that it goes something like

"If Alonso or Massa have a significant lead in points over the other driver, then the lesser driver who is in front will be considered to let the driver with more points run through."

You see, I dont get that. That is effectively a "Team Order" which applies to both drivers. Surely the contract does not override the F1 sporting regulations...

Surely thats like me signing a contact for my job saying "if any of my fellow employees is not performing, I can kill them". Its still murder, but because its in my contract I can be excluded from the law? Um. No.
Or am I missing something?

The punishment does not currently fit the crime. Sure, team orders exist everywhere still - don't forget Red Bull told Webber to "save fuel" in Turkey ultimately leading to that collision with Vettel and McLaren assured Hamilton that Button would not overtake him later on in the very same Grand Prix. Those are a few examples but none have been so obvious and so ridiculous as Massa was matching Alonso in pace throughout the Grand Prix. Don't forget that Alonso also had a go at Massa earlier in the race as they battled for track position so everything was still possible if Alonso put some effort in. But it required a cheap, simple team order and you could tell Massa was instantly fucked off from the way Rob Smedley was communicating to him on the radio (who appeared sympathetic on the radio to him but in front of the cameras was being controlled by the team).

I hope the WMSC throw the book at them, McLaren and Renault have felt their wrath in recent years and I expect no different to Ferrari.

Last edited by Kez (2010-07-25 14:54:56)

Didn't Alonso start bitching in Valencia last month about how the races were 'manipulated'?

Yeah, it's not really their fault. Alonso can't do much except just go past him and continue racing really when he slows down like that, not that he would have ever not taken any opportunity to lead the race. Massa could have just continued racing and ignored it but really he never was going to. Constructors points would be the best way

It's different to 2002 Austria because Schumacher could have just stuck behind Barrichello if he wanted to as it was done right at the very end just before the line, then again he wasn't in a choice to pass or not pass either... he was told to do so just like Rubens was told to let him ahead.

Catalunya wasn't anything special either, neither was Monaco - just one or two incidents

Everything else has been good though

Anthony Davidson: "For anyone wondering how Yam[amoto]'s race ended, he accidentally pulled the fire switch instead of his brake bias causing the engine to turn off!"

Mekstizzle wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

Anthony Davidson: "For anyone wondering how Yam[amoto]'s race ended, he accidentally pulled the fire switch instead of his brake bias causing the engine to turn off!"

lol, where did you get this quote from

People would have a field day with this, there was already criticism at the merry go round at HRT with Senna/Chandhok losing their seats to this guy

http://twitter.com/antdavidson

I think one of the Virgin drivers said he had his pit limiter on at the start as well, lol