Its stupid, they should all go kill them selfs, something about them walking around London the other night on there little march, pifff stupid dumb sh*ts, they should get over it.
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huh? Don't need to flame with something like that...dan500 wrote:
Its stupid, they should all go kill them selfs, something about them walking around London the other night on there little march, pifff stupid dumb sh*ts, they should get over it.
(Flame me all you like )
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
seeing as though muslims don't beleive in freedom of speech they don't have much use for embasiesWilhelmSissener wrote:
my question to the muslims: why are you acting so dumb and crazy now, why not when the Hijab was banned from french schools? why did you choose this situation to bitch about?
how would you react if we burned down your embasies (if you have any)??
answer please...
it promotes war and violence againist other relgilions
aganist women and they cannot deny that
most of it boils down to the fact that if their no such thing as religion in the first place the world would be a much saner place.
Period
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"It is clearly hard for westerners to comprehend the dismay these gestures cause Muslims. The question is not whether Muslims should or should not “grow up” or respect freedom of speech. It is whether we truly want to share a world in peace with those who have values and religious beliefs different from our own. The demand by foreign journalists that British newspapers compound their offence shows that moral arrogance is as alive in the editing rooms of northern Europe as in the streets of Falluja. That causing religious offence should be regarded a sign of western machismo is obscene.
The traditional balance between free speech and respect for the feelings of others is evidently becoming harder to sustain. The resulting turbulence can only feed the propaganda of the right to attack or expel immigrants and those of alien culture. And it can only feed the appetite of government to restrain free speech where it really matters, as in criticising itself."
this may be true, BUT;
I WISH WESTERNERS, OR CHRISTIANS, WOULD TAKE TO THE STREETS IN PROTESTS, BURN ARAB FLAGS, AND THROW ROCKS AT ARAB EMBASSIES EVERY TIME SOME NOOB C4 WHORE BLEW HIS ASS UP TAKING 10-20 INNOCENT LIVES WITH HIM (MULTIPLE TKs, resulting in INSTANT KICK & BAN) TO SUPPOSEDLY GO TO HEAVEN AND FUCK 40 VIRGINS WITH ALLAH.
THE WESTERN WORLD NEEDS TO STOP BEING SO TOLERANT WITH THESE UNGREATFUL, STUPID DOGS!
"It is clearly hard for westerners to comprehend the dismay these gestures cause Muslims. The question is not whether Muslims should or should not “grow up” or respect freedom of speech. It is whether we truly want to share a world in peace with those who have values and religious beliefs different from our own. The demand by foreign journalists that British newspapers compound their offence shows that moral arrogance is as alive in the editing rooms of northern Europe as in the streets of Falluja. That causing religious offence should be regarded a sign of western machismo is obscene.
The traditional balance between free speech and respect for the feelings of others is evidently becoming harder to sustain. The resulting turbulence can only feed the propaganda of the right to attack or expel immigrants and those of alien culture. And it can only feed the appetite of government to restrain free speech where it really matters, as in criticising itself."
this may be true, BUT;
I WISH WESTERNERS, OR CHRISTIANS, WOULD TAKE TO THE STREETS IN PROTESTS, BURN ARAB FLAGS, AND THROW ROCKS AT ARAB EMBASSIES EVERY TIME SOME NOOB C4 WHORE BLEW HIS ASS UP TAKING 10-20 INNOCENT LIVES WITH HIM (MULTIPLE TKs, resulting in INSTANT KICK & BAN) TO SUPPOSEDLY GO TO HEAVEN AND FUCK 40 VIRGINS WITH ALLAH.
THE WESTERN WORLD NEEDS TO STOP BEING SO TOLERANT WITH THESE UNGREATFUL, STUPID DOGS!
I saw some images on television from Denmark today - apparently some muslims had heard that some neo-nazis were burnig the Qu'ran, and they amassed a great mob to sort everything out. Well - no neo-nazis, but a shitload of angry muslims starts to shout and threaten police who showed up to ensure that nothing got out of hand.
So there i am, watching a bunch of idiots shouting at a police-force ordered to stand their ground and I was thinking: I do wonder if any of those shithead protesters have ever contemplated what would happen if the danish police had just killed them all in self-defence. Shot the entire mob down..
Guess not... i guess freedomo of exoression is holy to muslims so that they can go out in the street and protest about freedom of expression...
It's the narrowmindedness (<--- cool word ) I hate!!! They do NOT see that they are taking advantage of rights they seek to deny others, they do NOT realize that many of the muslim brothers not all that well set need western aid to survive, they do NOT see that what they are doing is fooling no-one. (Pictures my ass, it might have started out that way. But no one can convince me that what they are doing now has only got to do with the newspaper-pictures.)
I do not agree with the sentiment that tha majority of muslims have extremist views - but I am of a mind that unless the peaceful majority of muslims start speaking up, and shouting down the militant ones, we will very soon have an escalating conflict which nothing but death and destruction can stop...
So there i am, watching a bunch of idiots shouting at a police-force ordered to stand their ground and I was thinking: I do wonder if any of those shithead protesters have ever contemplated what would happen if the danish police had just killed them all in self-defence. Shot the entire mob down..
Guess not... i guess freedomo of exoression is holy to muslims so that they can go out in the street and protest about freedom of expression...
It's the narrowmindedness (<--- cool word ) I hate!!! They do NOT see that they are taking advantage of rights they seek to deny others, they do NOT realize that many of the muslim brothers not all that well set need western aid to survive, they do NOT see that what they are doing is fooling no-one. (Pictures my ass, it might have started out that way. But no one can convince me that what they are doing now has only got to do with the newspaper-pictures.)
I do not agree with the sentiment that tha majority of muslims have extremist views - but I am of a mind that unless the peaceful majority of muslims start speaking up, and shouting down the militant ones, we will very soon have an escalating conflict which nothing but death and destruction can stop...
Well, Friluftshund. You are absolutely right here. The muslims living in Denmark are allowed to speak their opinion, even if it's unpopular. And they do so by demonstrating, participating in debates in the media etc. They should, it's their right and obligation. Where things go bad, is when they protest against freedom of speech and at the same time voice their opinon in the media. Well, what have we here? In Denmark this is called 'double moral'. I don't know how this is translated, but it means something like this: you oppose something but still you embrace it because you need and like it.
And yeah, the pictures might have started it, but someone has a hidden agenda in the middle-east. No-way the pictures are responsible for this.
Some clever guys in Denmark said: "...the muslims shouldn't worry about those pictures. They should worry about distancing themselves from and condemning suicide bombers and extremists". Which they never do...
And regarding the torching of the scandinavian embassies: well, that's just a turning-point that no country should accept. In this case it was an angry mob attacking. But from where I'm sitting, it certainly looks like a sanctioned attack by the syrian government. As if they could not protect the embassies? Look at the tv-images. Lots of police, and what are they doing? Looking the other way...Do not forget that an embassy is considered the same soil that the embassy represents.
Oh, btw the Qu'ran was never burnt at any time...It was rumours spread by imams living in Denmark.
And yeah, the pictures might have started it, but someone has a hidden agenda in the middle-east. No-way the pictures are responsible for this.
Some clever guys in Denmark said: "...the muslims shouldn't worry about those pictures. They should worry about distancing themselves from and condemning suicide bombers and extremists". Which they never do...
And regarding the torching of the scandinavian embassies: well, that's just a turning-point that no country should accept. In this case it was an angry mob attacking. But from where I'm sitting, it certainly looks like a sanctioned attack by the syrian government. As if they could not protect the embassies? Look at the tv-images. Lots of police, and what are they doing? Looking the other way...Do not forget that an embassy is considered the same soil that the embassy represents.
Oh, btw the Qu'ran was never burnt at any time...It was rumours spread by imams living in Denmark.
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I've made the same statement as others here. While all Muslims may not be as radical as those shouting for death to those that drew the pictures, their failure to step up and speak out against such radical measures, and take steps to reign in the hard line militant Muslims makes them every bit as guilty as the radicals.
No I don't. You actually admire them for building their whole lives around their religion. That is not a good thing.Gawwad wrote:
I hope you mean the problem between "us" and Muslims.Rosse_modest wrote:
That's exactly the problem.Gawwad wrote:
but the muslims build their whole lives around their religion.
That is an extremely bad thing.
I saw a picture on the Telly showing some arabs torching Switzerlands flag, obviously, the stupid mother fuckers thought that it was denmarks flag. Im gonna burn a few Qu'rans and put it on break.com
Just for the fun of itSh1fty2k5 wrote:
I saw a picture on the Telly showing some arabs torching Switzerlands flag, obviously, the stupid mother fuckers thought that it was denmarks flag. Im gonna burn a few Qu'rans and put it on break.com
http://www.swm.se/download.php?id=13694
Sh1fty2k5 > That's right. Let's get some laughs :-) The whole thing is getting so blody serious. And that is the very problem with extremists - of any religion.
I was talking about the war on terror in general. For example, what happened in Afghanistan and the ongoing oprations throughout the world. The Iraq situation was not started due to the war on terror, but it has evelved into that now.spacepelle wrote:
Striking back at what? a regime that the U.S wanted to remove for a long time or did you really get those guys who planned it? Usama Bin Laden is still free i believe....GOOD JOB AMERICA!!!Psycho wrote:
However, when extremists attack the United States and kill about 3,000 of our citizens we are condemned by most of the free world for striking back.
It's about time for the world to show these dumb ass fanatical Islamic cock suckers real power. From now own I think the US and other countries should start fighting fire with fire. You kidnap and behead one of ours we kidnap and behead ten of yours. You don't fight these assholes they way we have. The hell with the apologizes for the cartoon or f@kcing offending the damn Muslims. Every country gets offended by other countries all the time but you don't see Mexico kidnapping Russian tourists and beheading them. This is complete bullshit and it's about time the world put foot to ass in the Muslim world!
Well said... nuke em turn the mid east into a glass parking lot and put a walmart out there. the place is the toilet bowl of the earth.SFCCDailey wrote:
It's about time for the world to show these dumb ass fanatical Islamic cock suckers real power. From now own I think the US and other countries should start fighting fire with fire. You kidnap and behead one of ours we kidnap and behead ten of yours. You don't fight these assholes they way we have. The hell with the apologizes for the cartoon or f@kcing offending the damn Muslims. Every country gets offended by other countries all the time but you don't see Mexico kidnapping Russian tourists and beheading them. This is complete bullshit and it's about time the world put foot to ass in the Muslim world!
Yep, socialist peace loving liberal Europe is finally catching up to the evil corporate conservative American perspective on Islam. Soon you will all hate them as much as us and realize why we are so willing to go to war with them.
Any muslim offended by this cartoon stuff can go fuck yourself. Every religious figure in history has been caricatured and made fun of over and over, but oh, if mr. muhammed gets a little fun poked at him, then all hell breaks loose and we're all supposed to be sensitive of their religous beliefs? You morons can go eat a dick, your prophet is a faggot and a fake, just like all the rest of them. Religion is the cancer of society.
I agree, I dont give a damn about my religion (only a little), I will rather believe in the old scandinavian myths.R3belacT wrote:
your prophet is a faggot and a fake, just like all the rest of them. Religion is the cancer of society.
Writing down a picture of Muhammed; why care about that, its only a stupid picture. Just like getting TO mad att battlefield 2 (it only a game damnit.)
Please refresh my memory...how many buidings did Christians burn down during the riots over that guy's art?WormGuts wrote:
This i guess is similar to the way that christians where affronted by the artist Andres Serrano's renditions of christ in some of his photo's/artwork. Most notably the work titled 'piss christ' struck a major chord in the christian communities across the US.
I wouldn't worry too much. Most Islamic countries can't touch European countries in military terms. If Eurpean countries banded together, which would happen if things got out of hand, they could easily trounce any collection of Islamic countries.|-->KN<--| wrote:
I have a bad feeling about what is going to happen...
Soon we will have a real Battlefield going on, if this muslim vs the unbelieving
goes on. And seeing all these chemical weapons, that some of these "holy" states have, i guess it could be uncomfortable.
See, here's the thing you can't get around: Publishing pictures, regardless of what is in the picture, hurts only feelings. Rioting and burning buildings is actual physical and economic harm. Regardless of what one's religion is, or what one's sensitivities entail, this is simply inexcusable.Gawwad wrote:
The Danes could have preevnted all of this.
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We are not muslims so we can never truely understand how much their religion means to them.
We christians go to church like once a year but the muslims build their whole lives around their religion.
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We should give that some respect!
You may say that what has been done is insensitive, but being insensitive is not a crime. Rioting and Arson are crimes (even in most Islamic countries). If the worst claim the rioters have is that western nations are being insensitive and should act more properly, that argument is wholly nullified by thier own behavior.
I think the west should stand together for freedom of speech in the face of this ridiculous hypocrisy.
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today something good came out of sweeden, a norwegian guy was about to be attacked by a muslim mob, he told th mob he was sweedish and they spared him, no more jokes about sweeden for 2 months!
Agreed. And attacking Iraq is not the same as going sfter the people for 9/11. FYI to the 2nd or 3rd post here. Religion is a problem.kingkong777 wrote:
seeing as though muslims don't beleive in freedom of speech they don't have much use for embasiesWilhelmSissener wrote:
my question to the muslims: why are you acting so dumb and crazy now, why not when the Hijab was banned from french schools? why did you choose this situation to bitch about?
how would you react if we burned down your embasies (if you have any)??
answer please...
it promotes war and violence againist other relgilions
aganist women and they cannot deny that
most of it boils down to the fact that if their no such thing as religion in the first place the world would be a much saner place.
Period
'double moral'
Is a "double-Standard" in the USA>.
Is a "double-Standard" in the USA>.
I am getting pretty fed up with their (muslim) attitude.
They emigrate to our countries, no problem there, right? Then THEY expect US to adapt to THEM!
A quote from a muslim here in Belgium:
"If native belgians don't adapt to OUR way of life, THEY are intolerant racists!"
I go WTF???? I am no racist by a long shot, but we adhere to laws. They want to live in our country? Adapt to those laws or beat it! But NOOOOOOOO, the laws in our country conflict with muslim teachings, so they (muslims) feel no need to adhere to OUR laws. I for one am f'in tired of this....
Same deal with the muhammed cartoons:
Recently a muslim theater producer made a theater play called "Our Lady Of Flanders" The poster depicting a picture of the Holy Virgin Mary with bare breast. Catholics were apalled by it, but our government silence the catholics, they said "our muslim friends have the right of free speech etc". The play wasn't even about anything vaguely associated with the Catholic Church. So we, "the natives", were silenced.
Now comes the muhammed cartoon, and the whole world is in f'in chaos. Once again, we westerners are intolerant!!!!! So I ask you, does this seem logical?
I may sound like an intolerant racist fuck, but then they turned me into one....
They emigrate to our countries, no problem there, right? Then THEY expect US to adapt to THEM!
A quote from a muslim here in Belgium:
"If native belgians don't adapt to OUR way of life, THEY are intolerant racists!"
I go WTF???? I am no racist by a long shot, but we adhere to laws. They want to live in our country? Adapt to those laws or beat it! But NOOOOOOOO, the laws in our country conflict with muslim teachings, so they (muslims) feel no need to adhere to OUR laws. I for one am f'in tired of this....
Same deal with the muhammed cartoons:
Recently a muslim theater producer made a theater play called "Our Lady Of Flanders" The poster depicting a picture of the Holy Virgin Mary with bare breast. Catholics were apalled by it, but our government silence the catholics, they said "our muslim friends have the right of free speech etc". The play wasn't even about anything vaguely associated with the Catholic Church. So we, "the natives", were silenced.
Now comes the muhammed cartoon, and the whole world is in f'in chaos. Once again, we westerners are intolerant!!!!! So I ask you, does this seem logical?
I may sound like an intolerant racist fuck, but then they turned me into one....
You sound pretty rational to me. Why should you let someone piss on you and tell you it's raining?DocZ wrote:
I may sound like an intolerant racist fuck, but then they turned me into one....
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These "people" are not Muslims. They have absolutely no Fucking right to say that they follow the Islamic Faith, they are a bunch of no hopers trying to pin the blame for their problems on someone or something else.
If you were to meet a true Muslim, you would be greeted like a brother and would be treated respectfully, (as the Qu'ran teaches them to)
Islam is the most peaceful monothesium religion in the world, even from the times of the Prophets. Muslims believe, every person is born into Islam, yet they convert at their own will and come back to Islam, thats why a convert is more blessed than a born Muslim cos they come to Islam out of purity, love and free will
And heres a quote from the Hadith (Actual sayins of Mohammed (SAW)),
"If anyone harms (others), God will harm him, and if anyone shows hostility to others, God will show hostility to him." Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 1625
many media organisations tarnish the entire religion by always mentionin that these extremists or terrorists are Muslim. So they call themselves Muslim, but their intentions and beliefs are not those of Islam, they maybe Muslim by faith but what they do is not in the name of Islam as Islam does not teach those hateful thangs, its men that teach those thangs, and as many people dont realise, there is a lot of young men and women who are easily led and brainwashed by small groups that prey on college students and stand outside Mosques to exploit the feelins of anger amoungst Muslims.
And as for the guy who dressed up as a suicide bomber in London, If I was a Met Cop on Duty I'd have gave him a 9mm sleeping pill right in the forehead.
Fucking Muppets like that deserve to be shot
By the way, I am not Muslim, and if I was an Admin, I would Lock or Delete this thread because although there are some Valid Points above me, There are a few people replying that are simply trying to sound Big and Hard
If you were to meet a true Muslim, you would be greeted like a brother and would be treated respectfully, (as the Qu'ran teaches them to)
Islam is the most peaceful monothesium religion in the world, even from the times of the Prophets. Muslims believe, every person is born into Islam, yet they convert at their own will and come back to Islam, thats why a convert is more blessed than a born Muslim cos they come to Islam out of purity, love and free will
And heres a quote from the Hadith (Actual sayins of Mohammed (SAW)),
"If anyone harms (others), God will harm him, and if anyone shows hostility to others, God will show hostility to him." Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 1625
many media organisations tarnish the entire religion by always mentionin that these extremists or terrorists are Muslim. So they call themselves Muslim, but their intentions and beliefs are not those of Islam, they maybe Muslim by faith but what they do is not in the name of Islam as Islam does not teach those hateful thangs, its men that teach those thangs, and as many people dont realise, there is a lot of young men and women who are easily led and brainwashed by small groups that prey on college students and stand outside Mosques to exploit the feelins of anger amoungst Muslims.
And as for the guy who dressed up as a suicide bomber in London, If I was a Met Cop on Duty I'd have gave him a 9mm sleeping pill right in the forehead.
Fucking Muppets like that deserve to be shot
By the way, I am not Muslim, and if I was an Admin, I would Lock or Delete this thread because although there are some Valid Points above me, There are a few people replying that are simply trying to sound Big and Hard
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