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Dr.Red-Eye wrote:

Please just make another Zero Hour...

PBAsydney wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

Dr.Red-Eye wrote:

Please just make another Zero Hour...

Red Alert 3 would rock!
C&C 3 sucked ass.

I agree with that statement sooooo much.

I just played through Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge the other day, that's over a year since I last played them through, and I gotta say, it's a blast.

*Sigh* R.I.P. Westwood

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Last edited by FloppY_ (2007-12-20 13:54:16)

Hurricane wrote:

If you can call in Ion Cannon strikes that'll be awsm

Dr.Red-Eye wrote:

Please just make another Zero Hour...

Last edited by Fenix14 (2007-12-24 16:32:27)

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

Fenix14 wrote:

EA's trying to make an FPS with Tiberium storyline... sounds like a 2142 mod.. certainly looks like it from the pics of the walkers.

It wouldn't be that hard a mod to make:


just put green crystals everywhere and give them flame damage like burning cars

change a few skins, make everything a bit more destroyed..

change the gunships into Orcas/Venoms

dropships into GDI/NoD versions

re-skin tanks into predator/scorpian  (not mammoth, you won't get that cause that might be cool, or avatar Walker)


And there you have it!!: C&C3.1.25 or 1.40 beta.


I'll only be interested if: you can call Ion cannon/nuke strikes (most defiantly not going to happen) stealth tanks and beam cannons.

And if they stick Scrin in, but I'd say thats almost certainly not going to happen, that'd also be cool. (OMG NERF DA PLANET ASSULT CARRIER IT'S ASSULTING MY PLANET) I'd laugh if the mothership made it.. (titan mode scrin mothership? lol)

I'd play it.

And I also believe that a RA2/YR mod for BF2 would be fucking awesome.

gene_pool wrote:

FUCK YEAH! ANOTHER RENEGADE! A++ GAME CANT WAIT. WAIT, WHY DONT EA MAKE WORLD OF C&C AS WELL AT THE SAME TIME? I WANT MMORPG C&C


fucking fail.

Snake wrote:

Dr.Red-Eye wrote:

Please just make another Zero Hour...

Please. God. No.
Ive had every C&C game since the very beginning (although started with Red Alert, first game I ever bought almost exactly 10 years ago) except for C&C3.
At a guess, Id say Ive spent about 5000hours playing C&C games in my life, of which 80% of that was dedicated to Red Alert 1.
I had it on PS and PC, where for a whole year, a friend and myself would meet up every weekend and play link-up via PC on the saturday and link-up on the PS on the Sunday.
And, I think of the entire series so far, Generals and Zero Hour have been the worst for MP vs humans. Single player and vs AI, fine. But the sheer amount of superweapons and abilities makes it less strategic and more of a defensive, SW gangfuck. Where the fuck is the skill in that?

Seriously, build 3 PC's, couple that with an A10 strike, Spectre, MOAB, Carpet Bomb and then send in a few bombers that nobody can shoot down until AFTER they have delivered their payload (even worse with the FAB Auroras due to the explosion itself) and you have weapons that in the most case cannot be touched AND, when they can, normally after they have devastated your entire base and army if you were foolish enough to build one in the first place.
You get punished for building actual units and not structures.
Generals was a lot fairer without all of that shite, but still retained the Auroras and multiple SW's. The Nuke and Scud Storm are the most powerful thing ever, 3 of them and you have lost virtually an entire base.
Invisible helicopters? Super-cannot-be-run-over infantry? 30 Rebels appearing out of thin air in the middle of an enemy base? Artillery barrage every 6minutes that cannot be stopped without removing their CC? Ability to make your ENTIRE BASE invisible? Realism, believability and game balance has gone right out the window.

Red Alert 2 was the same - hugely overpowered Superweapons but minus the abilities, which made it better. But it failed in other areas, including balance, playability and "realism" (Weather Storms and highly armoured airships?? Get real). The Yuri army was a total farce, fucked up and unbalanced, and is only there to fit the storyline of brainwashing someone to fire nukes. And not to mention the new Prism Towers for the Allies, which is basically a more powerful Tesla Coil and they could combine with other Prism Towers to fire one, massive, focused beam. Tesla Coil? Pfft, they are shit now. They were feared in RA1, now they are useless.

Compare the Superweapons and abilities to those of Red Alert.
- A single A-Bomb every 10minutes no matter how many silos you built that could take out a MAXIUMUM of 4 buildings (main, i.e. non defensive such as pillboxes), and that was only if 4 advanced powerplants were built right next to each other. The devastation caused to tanks was minimal and could only kill lightly armoured vehicles such as Rangers/Artillery/Tesla Tanks/V2 Rockets.
- Chronosphere which could teleport a SINGLE unit anywhere on the map for 3minutes before it returned to its original location. Usefullness? Next to nothing except teleporting a single Cruiser or Radar Jammer near the enemy base (RJ was always good fun).
- Iron Curtain which made a single tank invincible for 1 minute. Impact on the game: minimal, but coupled with a MAD tank in Aftermath was a genius, even if it wasnt powerful enough to kill any units unless they were already damaged.

Emphasis: Ground based assault, with lightly armoured and fairly balanced aircraft in support. And, best of all, it included naval battles. OK, they got the Naval balance wrong (despite what they said Cruisers could take out Subs...5 Cruisers could easily despatch a group of 30 subs, submerged or not)...but how many maps feature te ability to decimate an entire enemy base with Cruisers? Very few, so the effect is quite small.
None of this pussy, sit in my base and defend whilst firing superweapon after superability at the enemy until they die bullshit.

Same applied with C&C, although the Nuke was damn powerful - you could only have ONE. Thats fine by me as the game had no other abilities and was entirely focused on vehicle and infantry action.


I dont mind a C&C FPS, Ill give it a try (I have Renegade, never installed it though). What does piss me off is the ever-growing dependancy on superweapons and unfair abilities to win play the game, rather than focusing on assaults with actual tanks, infantry, helis and jets.
I remember games on Red Alert that comprised of no less than 200 tanks. Mammoth Tanks. Per side. Now, tell me that that is not fun.

As far as Im concerned, this entire series has gone downhill since EA took over (and thats not just based on their BF2 fuckups).
Bring back Westwood Studios (without EA rule) who knew how to make a game. If it wasnt for Vista and not allowing me to play RA1, Id have sold Generals by now and never played it with RD like I have recently.

MrCookie wrote:

oh and there will be a fps in C&C's they should have those nifty disc's... you know... the ones from tiberium sun... rings any bell??? no??? man....
**embarrased**

Last edited by FloppY_ (2007-12-27 01:47:35)

Snake wrote:

Dr.Red-Eye wrote:

Please just make another Zero Hour...

Please. God. No.
Ive had every C&C game since the very beginning (although started with Red Alert, first game I ever bought almost exactly 10 years ago) except for C&C3.
At a guess, Id say Ive spent about 5000hours playing C&C games in my life, of which 80% of that was dedicated to Red Alert 1.
I had it on PS and PC, where for a whole year, a friend and myself would meet up every weekend and play link-up via PC on the saturday and link-up on the PS on the Sunday.
And, I think of the entire series so far, Generals and Zero Hour have been the worst for MP vs humans. Single player and vs AI, fine. But the sheer amount of superweapons and abilities makes it less strategic and more of a defensive, SW gangfuck. Where the fuck is the skill in that?

Seriously, build 3 PC's, couple that with an A10 strike, Spectre, MOAB, Carpet Bomb and then send in a few bombers that nobody can shoot down until AFTER they have delivered their payload (even worse with the FAB Auroras due to the explosion itself) and you have weapons that in the most case cannot be touched AND, when they can, normally after they have devastated your entire base and army if you were foolish enough to build one in the first place.
You get punished for building actual units and not structures.
Generals was a lot fairer without all of that shite, but still retained the Auroras and multiple SW's. The Nuke and Scud Storm are the most powerful thing ever, 3 of them and you have lost virtually an entire base.
Invisible helicopters? Super-cannot-be-run-over infantry? 30 Rebels appearing out of thin air in the middle of an enemy base? Artillery barrage every 6minutes that cannot be stopped without removing their CC? Ability to make your ENTIRE BASE invisible? Realism, believability and game balance has gone right out the window.

Red Alert 2 was the same - hugely overpowered Superweapons but minus the abilities, which made it better. But it failed in other areas, including balance, playability and "realism" (Weather Storms and highly armoured airships?? Get real). The Yuri army was a total farce, fucked up and unbalanced, and is only there to fit the storyline of brainwashing someone to fire nukes. And not to mention the new Prism Towers for the Allies, which is basically a more powerful Tesla Coil and they could combine with other Prism Towers to fire one, massive, focused beam. Tesla Coil? Pfft, they are shit now. They were feared in RA1, now they are useless.

Compare the Superweapons and abilities to those of Red Alert.
- A single A-Bomb every 10minutes no matter how many silos you built that could take out a MAXIUMUM of 4 buildings (main, i.e. non defensive such as pillboxes), and that was only if 4 advanced powerplants were built right next to each other. The devastation caused to tanks was minimal and could only kill lightly armoured vehicles such as Rangers/Artillery/Tesla Tanks/V2 Rockets.
- Chronosphere which could teleport a SINGLE unit anywhere on the map for 3minutes before it returned to its original location. Usefullness? Next to nothing except teleporting a single Cruiser or Radar Jammer near the enemy base (RJ was always good fun).
- Iron Curtain which made a single tank invincible for 1 minute. Impact on the game: minimal, but coupled with a MAD tank in Aftermath was a genius, even if it wasnt powerful enough to kill any units unless they were already damaged.

Emphasis: Ground based assault, with lightly armoured and fairly balanced aircraft in support. And, best of all, it included naval battles. OK, they got the Naval balance wrong (despite what they said Cruisers could take out Subs...5 Cruisers could easily despatch a group of 30 subs, submerged or not)...but how many maps feature te ability to decimate an entire enemy base with Cruisers? Very few, so the effect is quite small.
None of this pussy, sit in my base and defend whilst firing superweapon after superability at the enemy until they die bullshit.

Same applied with C&C, although the Nuke was damn powerful - you could only have ONE. Thats fine by me as the game had no other abilities and was entirely focused on vehicle and infantry action.


I dont mind a C&C FPS, Ill give it a try (I have Renegade, never installed it though). What does piss me off is the ever-growing dependancy on superweapons and unfair abilities to win play the game, rather than focusing on assaults with actual tanks, infantry, helis and jets.
I remember games on Red Alert that comprised of no less than 200 tanks. Mammoth Tanks. Per side. Now, tell me that that is not fun.

As far as Im concerned, this entire series has gone downhill since EA took over (and thats not just based on their BF2 fuckups).
Bring back Westwood Studios (without EA rule) who knew how to make a game. If it wasnt for Vista and not allowing me to play RA1, Id have sold Generals by now and never played it with RD like I have recently.