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War Man wrote:

'Ahloominerm'? I believe it is 'Ahloohminum'. At least that is how I pronounce it, oh and I say 'sɒ-dur' not 'sahduh'

Also both wrong.

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Utah voted to bring back the firing squad for executions. I see nothing wrong. Instantly killing someone with a bullet seems more humane than strapping them to a table and pumping poison into their veins.

Some anti death penalty people actually suggest we bring back the guillotine. Their argument was that using poison or gas sanitizes what you are actually doing- turning a person into a cadaver

No. Serial killers, terrorist, and traitors should be executed

The justice system already decides the life and death of people. Putting someone in prison for 90 years is a life and death decision equal to deciding to execute them. You are still making a decision regarding their future without their consent based off of society's moral values.





The finality of the execution ensures the convicted has been punished and justice has been served. It also provides closure for victims and their families.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

The justice system already decides the life and death of people. Putting someone in prison for 90 years is a life and death decision equal to deciding to execute them. You are still making a decision regarding their future without their consent based off of society's moral values.

Not really. You should know better.

Apart from vengeance what does the death penalty achieve?

I'm fine with vengeance BTW, I just wish people would admit that's what its about, although it only really applies to people directly connected, not the bloodthirsty mob who are as bad as the original perpetrators.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Until you can be 100% certain of the validity and guilt of every single crime/criminal (which is never),

The trial of the man accused of bombing the Boston Marathon two years ago has begun, with his defence lawyer telling the jury he committed the crime.

"It was him," the lawyer said as she prepared to defend Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's actions by saying he had been influenced by his older brother.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31727243

Terrorist, serial killers, and others admit guilt all the time in their defense. Video evidence too. Etc.



Don't be stupid. We can 100% know some people are guilty

http://www.innocenceproject.org/causes- … admissions

Astonishingly, more than 1 out of 4 people wrongfully convicted but later exonerated by DNA evidence made a false confession or incriminating statement.

Also I said "every single crime". When your judicial system is 100% infallible then you can consider maybe having a death penalty, but even then I wouldn't agree.

Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Until you can be 100% certain of the validity and guilt of every single crime/criminal (which is never),

The trial of the man accused of bombing the Boston Marathon two years ago has begun, with his defence lawyer telling the jury he committed the crime.

"It was him," the lawyer said as she prepared to defend Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's actions by saying he had been influenced by his older brother.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31727243

Terrorist, serial killers, and others admit guilt all the time in their defense. Video evidence too. Etc.



Don't be stupid. We can 100% know some people are guilty

What about the costs? Death penalty cases are HUGELY expensive because you can't just throw someone a random legal aid to handle the case. death penalty case lawyers are not cheap. You're better off putting someone in prison for life.

eh? there are a lot of arguments against the death penalty, but cost isn't one of them. especially for states that would use the firing squad or electric chair  – if not something worse and more brutal or expedient. keeping someone in a max security prison for 20+ years costs a shitload more than putting a bullet into their head. cost is one of the most frequently invoked reasons in support of the death penalty. many taxpayers feel chagrined about putting up murderers in a barb-wire hotel for the rest of their life.

and that's to not even begin with your comment about 'death penalty case lawyers' being expensive. er, what? there isn't a flat-rate for death penalty lawyers. some murderers in the states have been put on death row almost because they've had shitty county defenders, or whatever the term is. it's not like if you commit a serious crime you are somehow provided with a top-flight lawyer.

Last edited by uziq (2015-03-13 16:24:38)

uziq wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Until you can be 100% certain of the validity and guilt of every single crime/criminal (which is never),

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31727243

Terrorist, serial killers, and others admit guilt all the time in their defense. Video evidence too. Etc.



Don't be stupid. We can 100% know some people are guilty

What about the costs? Death penalty cases are HUGELY expensive because you can't just throw someone a random legal aid to handle the case. death penalty case lawyers are not cheap. You're better off putting someone in prison for life.

eh? there are a lot of arguments against the death penalty, but cost isn't one of them. especially for states that would use the firing squad or electric chair  –

Not in the case of the US. Death penalty cases get reviewed quite often to minimize as much possibility that the person might be innocent. The amount of appeals that happen costs

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli … h-penalty/

[i]n Maryland death penalty cases cost 3 times more than non-death penalty cases, or $3 million for a single case

That's a lot of money just for legal proceedings. Even for lethal injections it's only $83 a pop, not exactly breaking the bank.

I know there's a lot of moral/legalistic arguments why the death penalty should be abolished, i'm just bringing another argument to the table where people go "hurr durr a bullet to the head is cheaper than feeding someone for life"

uziq wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Until you can be 100% certain of the validity and guilt of every single crime/criminal (which is never),

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31727243

Terrorist, serial killers, and others admit guilt all the time in their defense. Video evidence too. Etc.



Don't be stupid. We can 100% know some people are guilty

What about the costs? Death penalty cases are HUGELY expensive because you can't just throw someone a random legal aid to handle the case. death penalty case lawyers are not cheap. You're better off putting someone in prison for life.

eh? there are a lot of arguments against the death penalty, but cost isn't one of them. especially for states that would use the firing squad or electric chair  – if not something worse and more brutal or expedient. keeping someone in a max security prison for 20+ years costs a shitload more than putting a bullet into their head. cost is one of the most frequently invoked reasons in support of the death penalty. many taxpayers feel chagrined about putting up murderers in a barb-wire hotel for the rest of their life.

and that's to not even begin with your comment about 'death penalty case lawyers' being expensive. er, what? there isn't a flat-rate for death penalty lawyers. some murderers in the states have been put on death row almost because they've had shitty county defenders, or whatever the term is. it's not like if you commit a serious crime you are somehow provided with a top-flight lawyer.

The cost is high because of the appeals process. Guys on death row appeal all the time in order to prolong their time. Appeal = time out of the prosecutors life, the state supreme court judges life, the defense attorneys life, any special investigators etc. Frankly, most of the cost is generated by the people who dedicate their lives to eradicating the death penalty by filing endless appeals on behalf of the inmates. Then they get to say "See, it's cheaper to keep them in prison for life".