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Its this bitch going off subject to complain about my word choice and typing. he does it to evade his reasoning and my questioning.

prettybird are you a retard or what this is serious talk grow up you are overheated stop using those words i am gonna give one chance to stop with this guys and if you risk it hmm........ im gonna be mad but then again i cant really do anything so would it not be easier that you make a new topic thats called the showdown and keep fighting so we can bring pop-corn and be entertained.

stef wrote:

prettybird are you a retard or what this is serious talk grow up you are overheated stop using those words i am gonna give one chance to stop with this guys and if you risk it hmm........ im gonna be mad but then again i cant really do anything so would it not be easier that you make a new topic thats called the showdown and keep fighting so we can bring pop-corn and be entertained.

Stef, nto for nothing, but you guys went waaaaaay off into Religion, which could be tied to immigrants, but you guys went way out. As far at the Bird and I, I was having a blast trading jabs. I'd be more than happy to start another thread, where we can all dish out the insults.

7thscout wrote:

You say that Islamic states obey Islamic law, that is false xanthpi. Sharia Laws are the laws that govern everything and only a handful of Islamic states actually follow them to the letter (Sudan, Libya, some states in Nigeria and Afghanistan). During the Colonial era, Christians nations sent missionaries with armies to all corners of the globe hellbent on christianizing the entire world. Wherever these armies landed they forced christianity onto the local populations and did so often in a very brutal manner. The bible has passages that condone slavery and set laws on how it is to be carried out (Leviticus 25:44-46,  Exodus 21:2-6) and a few passages on sex slaves (Exodus 21:7-11) and that its ok to kill them(Exodus 21:20-21).

You could have saved yourself alot of time by simply reading, and perhaps understanding, my previous posts.

There is not a single state in the world which practices 100% Islamic law. There are many states which impliment Islamic law to various degrees.

And stop all this moral equivalence about Christianity vs Islam. As I've already said, pointing out the crap in Christianity doesn't excuse Islam it's errors. GO AND READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS.

7thscout wrote:

I dont consider myself a religious person but Im baptized and I did go to sunday school. I certainly dont want to be labeled as a (sarcastic)colonial-christian-bible-pushing-slave-runner(sarcastic) because of the fact that I went to sunday school.

No-one is going to do that. GO AND READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS FOR CLUES AS TO WHY ISLAM AND CHRISTINAITY ARE DIFFERENT AND CANNOT BE CLASSIFIED IN THE SAME WAYS.

7thscout wrote:

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but of the terrorists that active today most of them are indeed Muslim. It is not a pleasant fact for the muslims that find acts of terror just as apalling as anybody else. It sure puts a log on the fire for the extremists and bigots that use it to generalize about an entire people. The fundamentalists see secular muslims as enemies just as they see non muslims as enemies, since the secular muslim opposes the fundamentalist. The IRA were not religious terrorists. They didnt have religion as a sole reason for waging their war I agree with Xanthpa on that one.

GO AND READ MY PREVIOUS POST WHICH EXPLAINS WHY IT IS NOT BIGOTED TO BE ANTI-MUSLIM.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SECULAR MUSLIM. GO AND READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS WHICH HAVE CLUES AS TO WHY THIS MIGHT BE SO.

7thscout wrote:

I saw that news special on FOX as well, Im Swedish (living in Southern Sweden) and I pass by that neighborhood ever now and then and I find it odd that fox would portray that area as a total warzone where the police are afraid to do anything. That is just ridiculously untrue. I have to support Nehil in this point, Xanthpi. What he is saying is true, not that I agree with everything that he says and I can see that he has a picture of the riots in Gothenburg. I dont believe that violence is a viable political instrument either, but what Nehil is saying about Malmo is true.

Nehil is not correct about Malmo. Why don't you go to Malmo and spend the evenings for a week walking through the Muslim area and see what happens. Or, come to certain areas of the UK and see what happens.

7thscout wrote:

The content of the Qu'ran and Hadiths have some very shocking things written in them, sadly there are people that follow them to the letter. There are imams that misinterpret the writings in the Qu'ran and Hadiths to their advantage. The bible has shocking things written in it too and there are a fair share of people that misinterpret the bible as well. Two wrongs certainly dont make a right, but I wouldnt judge too harshly.

Why oh why do people keep bringing Christinaity into it? I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED WHY THE "BUT CHRISTIANITY..." ARGUMENT DOESN'T WORK. So why do people keep bringing it up? Are they blind? Can they not understand English?
In Islam, it is a sin to interpret the book. If a passage says "slay the unbelievers etc etc" it cannot be interpreted as "give all the infidels a bunch of flowers". The Qu'ran is the word of god - therefore it cannot be interpreted.

7thscout wrote:

You say its illegal for a muslim to make friends with a Jew or Christian?! I need to know where you found that quote, if it is truly taken out of the Qu'ran then it would refute your entire argument that Muslims follow everything that is written in the Qur'an and Hadith because even the most extreme fundamentalist muslims have had a friend that wasnt muslim.

"O Believers! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends and helpers. They are but friends to one another.  And if any among you takes them as friends and allies, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah does not guide the wrongdoers" (al-Maida 5:51), and many, many more. Read the entire Qu'ran. It is full of reasons why Muslims must hate non-Muslims.
Once again for the hard of reading: a Muslim cannot take a Jew or Christian as a friend. A Muslim certainly cannot take an atheist, Hindu, Pagan or Buddhist as a friend. If they do, then fine as long as they put an end to the friendship when they realise their mistake. If they continue the friendship then they have effectively apostated from their religion. However, a Muslim can pretend to be friends with a non-Muslim if the goal is to "guide" them to Islam.

7thscout wrote:

It is true that some very extreme interpretations of the Qu'ran are preached and taught but to say that all muslims believe it and follow it and are out to "murder and/or rape you" is just an oversimplification and an unfair generalization.

READ MY EARLIER POSTS ABOUT WHAT DEFINES A MUSLIM.

7thscout wrote:

You claim not to be prejudiced against others and I believe that you arent but why do muslims deserve this unfair generalization that you spare the other races, peoples and religions?

Because this thread is about Islam as far as I am interested.
If you want to make a thread about the African race then I will come along and say there is nothing wrong with Africans as a race of people.
If you want to make a thread about Buddhists I will come along and say Buddhism is tolerable because of it's inherent peacefulness.
If you want to make a thread about the Dutch I will come along and say that I love them but that it sounds like they are being sick when they speak

It's time for another long Tyferra rant. (and thanks S4INT05 for reading all of my last one.)

Ther is a city in New Zealand called Auckland. It is at the top of the North Island of the country, and the Auckland region has a whole quarter of the country's population.
Auckland is also the biggest polynesian city in the world.
But Auckland isn't in polynesia, or micronesia, or that other one.

Is this what some of you british people are worried about? That one culture will dominate a couple of cities. Let me be the first to say that it isn't all that bad you know.

I hear that some people are offended by the fact that taxpayers are paying for mosques to be built. Bravo. Hell, taxpayers bought those damn churches down the road from me. I'm not christian, I don't fucking want them. They're only places for people to exersise good thinking and practices so they may pass on the me, the Athiest.
Why do you think that taxpayers paying for a mosque or two is bad?
You say you'd rather the money go to the poor english kid who can't quite afford his rent.
Sorry to say, but a lot of people, (not all, but a fair few,) are living in shitty conditions, on the verge of being kicked out of their residents because they are bums, spending the little money the have on crap, or refusing to work to get money. Unfair generalisation? Hell yes, but you can't tell me that this dosn't happen. How do these delinquents deserve tax payers money?

Maybe that point was a bit rough, as there are many people who could use some of their government's money, (e.g: students,) but how does this stop a mosque or two being built? I see no problem.

Governments are offering huge tax breaks to rich buisiness owners so they can build a more luxurious office complexes, and you, the taxpayer, is quite happy about this because you feel that this buisiness is helping your economy. You are quite happy to swallow this steaming pile of bullshit while the buisiness gets richer, which helps you my dear friend, diddly squat. A mosque would help you far more directly than the CEO of some large company being able to buy that new beemer, 'because the merc had done nearly 400 Ks.'

You would benefit from the muslim people who live in your community being happier. Your workers at your buisiness would be more productive as they would be spiritually fulfilled, your, (apparently few,) muslim friends would feel less alienated, and be more fun to hang around and it has been proven, (by someone at somestage,) that religeon decreases crime, (something about people having a sence of decency etc.)

A simple question. Are you christian? Bhuddist? Jewish?
Satanist?
Don't answer yet, because I don't give a shit.
I don't actually care what religeon my country is classified into. If I'm Jewish and the main religeon is christianity, I definatly do not think we're all going to Hell. Likewise If I'm a christian in a muslim country, I don't suddenly jump to the conclusion that because I am in this spot of land, I am going to be damned for all eternity.
I am not religeous at all. Athiest I guess, if I was to be classified into one group, and my country, (I think,) is classified as a christian dominated society.
Ah, harmony. People all worshipping the same God, practicing the same ideals, all happily agreeing with each other.
Wrong. WRONG!
Hell, christianity has so many offshoots that no-one believes the same thing any more. Why should it damage society if muslims with different ideals become, if not dominant, than a strong minority? They believe different things, so what!? So do you and your best friend. So does your Mum and your Dad. So does Mary-kate and Ashley fucking Olson. The world is not going to implode if people with different beliefs live next to each other.
You may want to even try exposing yourself to their culture, maybe you'll pick up a few good habits that will secure you a spot on the other side of the Pearly gates.

The language gap. Oh, yes the language gap. So many words, so little time.
You are worried that you won't be able to understand the person at the store. Fair enough I suppose. It is annoying going to a place, picking up what you want, paying for it and than leaving.
Wait... where was the actual conversation with the shop-keeper?
Maybe you asked him what the price was.
I'll tell you a few questions, and answers to them, that everyone, no exceptions, learns if opening a shop in a different language speaking country.

"How much does this item cost."
"Where is the [insert product name here. Product names are pretty universal.]"

Apart from that, what is there really to communicate?

People can go through places like China, Japan, and other places where they don't speak the same language as you, (I apologise for using asian countrys here.) I myself have spent a while in Turkey. I couldn't understand what the hell they were saying, I tell you, Turkish is one warped freakin' language. (I did learn the word for "hello"  is "Merhaba," so just used that for everything.)
I coped. It was even fun, and those shopkeepers thought I was just as strange as I thought they were.
I tell you another thing, (more about my travels,) the call to prayer is awesome. I mean, c'mon, what to christians have? Ugly clanging heavy bells that wake the dead. The call to prayer is amazing. It is beautiful, mournful, haunting, and joyful all at the same time. I didn't even know what the hell they were saying at it still spoke to me.
See? Other cultures can be fun and enlightening!

Man, I'm just going to stop writing here. I write too much, I know that. I could go on for bloody ages but what's the point. There's little chance of this being read, and so much of it isn't relevent, but oh well.
Play Loud.

Erkut.hv wrote:

prettybird wrote:

Its this bitch going off subject to complain about my word choice and typing. he does it to evade his reasoning and my questioning.

I answered your questions sparky. If I missed one, please let me know, and I would be glad to give you an answer.

yea all late about it and shit. first u cry like a bitch then you start answering what i asked you. and yes i see you typed how you misinterpretted what i wrote so pay attention to what people say before you open your fucking mouth bitch.

Nehil you dumbass, "A lot" is two words.
Thanks for the compliments

I couldnt really take the time to read all of the posts but for the first few people. First off Packies is a ethnical slur. Second you guys complain about muslims spreading their religion, remember Jehova's Witness?

On a side note I have a funny story about them Ill post in a minute.

But basically you guys at the top are racists and your also very ignorant.

7thscout wrote:

I saw that news special on FOX as well, Im Swedish (living in Southern Sweden) and I pass by that neighborhood ever now and then and I find it odd that fox would portray that area as a total warzone where the police are afraid to do anything. That is just ridiculously untrue. I have to support Nehil in this point, Xanthpi. What he is saying is true, not that I agree with everything that he says and I can see that he has a picture of the riots in Gothenburg. I dont believe that violence is a viable political instrument either, but what Nehil is saying about Malmo is true.

Nehil is not correct about Malmo. Why don't you go to Malmo and spend the evenings for a week walking through the Muslim area and see what happens. Or, come to certain areas of the UK and see what happens.

OMG, this gotta end.

Xanthpa, Rosengården is not as bad as you describe it trust me, nor will you get raped and beaten while walking trough it. I have a lot of muslim friends, but i actually consider myself nationalistic. Your writing in your previous post says that no country practices 100% purified islam. Very few people today are 100% muslims. Doesnt that make the (say) 80% muslims the real muslims? Lets go with that so far. Muslims are actually very kind people. You should try talking to one! He wont kill ya i swear! I understand that you might hate muslims due to the bombings in the tube or things like that, but please do not judge them all. Rosengården in Malmö is actually nothing special, except for a few depressing apartment houses and things like that. And visiting the friendly people at Rosengården is not a good alternative to suicide. TAKE THAT IN MIND AND LETS DROP THIS OK?

7thscout wrote:

I happen to have done this several times and I have a few friends that live in that area that I visit every now and then, and it is not an entirely muslim area, and no I didnt get beaten up there once. I dont claim to know what the situation is in certain parts of the UK although I have visited London several times and have a brother that is studying there.

Ok. If you do a bit of research into Islam and it's history you will see that wherever the Muslim faithful congregate they like to impose their own Islamic rules, which as you will see if you do the study, exclude rights for non-Muslims. There are many areas of Europe within cities (Malmo, London, Birmingham, Bradford, Paris, Marseilles, Berlin, etc, etc, etc) in which this has happened.

7thscout wrote:

So if a Muslim has a Jewish or Christian friend they then cease to be muslim. (Im impressed that you found the exact quote)

Thanks. Yes, that's true. It is human nature to become friends which those people who you like and have things in common with, so it is very difficult for Muslims not to make at least a couple of non-Muslim friends. If they are real, pious Muslims then they must strive not to make friends with any non-Muslims. If you study the behaviour of the very pious Muslims, such as the ones to have involvement with international terrorism, you will find that their contact with non-Muslims is based on deception and da'wah (attracting non-Muslims to Islam).

7thscout wrote:

Im friends with several people that are muslim well technically they now are pseudomuslims.

That's correct. They are most probably pseudo-Muslims and if Islam was to ever become the power where you live, those pseudo-Muslims would be given the opportunity to go back to Islam, or face death. Once someone is Muslim they cannot leave - the penalty is death. Kinda like joining the Mafia........

7thscout wrote:

Why dont you make friends with all the muslims in the world so they can all cease to be muslims jk

That's funny, because if you come across a "Muslim" who has a healthy analytical mind, it is possible to debate them until they decide to give up Islam. I have converted several dozen "Muslims" away from their religion. In reality, they just needed a nod in the right direction. Usually, bringing up logical arguments, the age of Aishah when Muhammad had sex with her (she was 9, he was 54), the slaughter he unleashed, etc, proce Islam to be anything but the religion of peace the media like to tell us it is.

7thscout wrote:

If you truly believe this to be true and fully applicable in real life then you seem to have an absolute conviction about muslims and islam. Im not going to try to convince you anymore than I'll convince a Man Utd fan that their team isnt that great nor will I search for every post youve written to try and refute your arguments. No I havent read all of the Qu'ran nor the Haditha and Im not an expert on Islamology, nor do I claim to be. However, I do know a thing or two about good beer

If you would like to continue your interest in good beer then I suggest you work to make sure that Islam never becomes a potent force in your country. Your analogy with Man Utd fans is incorrect because their support is based mainly on faith, whereas my hatred of Islam is based on the truth of Islamic history and traditions and what they hold in store for people who do not with to become Muslims, like myself.

7thscout wrote:

There is no need for you to type in caps Im not rude to you and there is no need for you to be rude to me.

Ok. It just becomes a bit tiresome having to explain things over and over.

7thscout wrote:

Oh, and I agree that the dutch speak funny

Xanthpi, if you could post an English translation of the quran please? But one translated directly from Arabic, not an English version, which takes out the harsh stuff.

I commend you on your research. I don't like haji's because they tried over and over again to kill some of my buddies in thh great sandbox. Plus the whole convert or be killed thing. Stuck in a 9th century mode of thinking. The showdown is coming.

Nehil wrote:

Sorry but even if what you say is true, every little word, then those people should not be considerd muslim.

I've already explained how Muslims are classified. Go back and read.

Nehil wrote:

Instead they can name their religion something else.

I'm sure they will take your advice. There are various branches of Islam - Shia, Qadiani, Sufi, Sunni, etc. The true Muslims are the ones who emulate Muhammad to the greatest degree, so that means Sunnis/ Wahabis are the most Islamic.

Nehil wrote:

All muslims I've met did not try to kill/rape/convert me.

Of course not. They would go to prison in a Western country. But then again you have no understanding whatsoever about Islam, hence your stupid statement. Go and ask the Hindus and Christians of Pakistan how they are treated by the Muslims. Go live in Iran and tell the nearest religious person that you are gay/ drink alcohol/ think Muhammad was an idiot/ that you don't believe in god then come back and tell us what happened. We'll be waiting forever for your reply.

Nehil wrote:

If there are some who are so fundamental they should not present themselves as muslim.

Go back and read my posts. The fundamentalists ARE the Muslims.

Nehil wrote:

Sorry you can't convince me that Islam is something to be afraid of.

I'm sorry for you that you do not have very good cognitive abilities. Thank god we are not all so blind.

Nehil wrote:

That's just being afraid of anything new or unfamiliar.

No it's not. It's being afraid of something which has stated it wants to kill me because I do not have the same religion as them. If you are not afraid of people who's aim it is to kill you then that is your funeral.

Nehil wrote:

Try to spend some time with muslims.

I do frequently.

Nehil wrote:

Go and vistit a Mosque

How do you think I learned about Islam?

Nehil wrote:

and talk to the people there of your view on Islam.

Yeah that'd be clever wouldn't it. Experience has shown that debating Muslims in private usually ends with them issuing threats against myself and my family. Are you not aware of why Theo van Gogh was shot and nearly beheaded? Or why several Dutch MPs have to live in army barracks for their own safety? Or why Salman Rushdie cannot travel freely? That's right, it is because once they criticised Islam their lives were put in peril because Muhammad said that anyone who critises Islam must be killed.

Nehil wrote:

I'm sure they will explain to you.

They did. That's how I know they hate infidels. Then that information was backed up by reading the Qu'ran and Hadiths.