Not agreeing with Trump means I'm a communist so I just avoid most political talk with family now.
you can tell it’s a disease, the ideology. jay’s decline has been swift.
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No no, being a Democrat is the disease. It's perfectly normal to be a Conservative Catholic who wants the Pope dead or one who flashes your high beams at a house every time you see it cause you didn't like what color the owners repainted it.
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I noticed that consistent R voters have a vindictive streak. They hold grudges and are quick to feel disrespected over petty things.
Snowflakes.
Nothing inconsistent there at all.uziq wrote:
dilbert: the response hasn’t been enough, selfish individualists everywhere, we need total quarantine, shutdown all flights, no foreigners should enter australia whatsoever, it’s them damn international students that will be our downfall, we’re too soft.Dilbert_X wrote:
I think people should be able to clear their throats without being sent to a death camp.uziq wrote:
curfew/quarantine laws are in place in many major cities there. what's so sinister about that?!!
*china clears throat, clamps down on individuals*
also dilbert: china is out of control, it’s a nightmare state, ‘i have contacts inside’ (lmao it’s not north korea) who have leaked to me some info, it’s basically a police state, there are death camps.
you are a fucking retard my man.
Students partying instead of self-isolating
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation … 20fb519297
Now we'll have to close our schools and universities.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-06/ … s/12031678
As predicted by me this will cause the outbreak in Australia.
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How many thousands of year head start did the flu have to run up it's yearly score? Do we want to have seasonal Wuhan like we have seasonal flu?
If the Chinese hadn't kept the bat-virus secret for a month minimum we'd be in a much better position now.
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i doubt it. it's highly transmissible and wouldn't have been easy to contain.
by the time the doctor decided to report it upwards, even though he was shutdown and shushed, evidently there were people presenting at hospitals with a certain unidentified sickness. it was out there, incubating in god knows how many people. it's not like the first person to come into a hospital to report feeling ill was the progenitor and could have just been directed into a backroom and quarantined by the responsible authorities.
they definitely fadged the first week or two as things quickly spiralled out of control. but i think you're leaning into an illusion of control, there. wuhan is a central hub in china and the thing would have travelled before even the most firm-handed govt could do anything. it's a symptom more of globally connected networks and modern tech/transport/convenience than a symptom of china's particular incompetence.
your fantasy of 'total quarantine' would have seemed disproportionate to any observer in day 2 or whatever. for the same reason as the above: too much perceived economic self-harm, bad for business, bad PR, etc. this sort of outbreak really points to some flaws and weaknesses in our global system.
by the time the doctor decided to report it upwards, even though he was shutdown and shushed, evidently there were people presenting at hospitals with a certain unidentified sickness. it was out there, incubating in god knows how many people. it's not like the first person to come into a hospital to report feeling ill was the progenitor and could have just been directed into a backroom and quarantined by the responsible authorities.
they definitely fadged the first week or two as things quickly spiralled out of control. but i think you're leaning into an illusion of control, there. wuhan is a central hub in china and the thing would have travelled before even the most firm-handed govt could do anything. it's a symptom more of globally connected networks and modern tech/transport/convenience than a symptom of china's particular incompetence.
your fantasy of 'total quarantine' would have seemed disproportionate to any observer in day 2 or whatever. for the same reason as the above: too much perceived economic self-harm, bad for business, bad PR, etc. this sort of outbreak really points to some flaws and weaknesses in our global system.
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many epidemiologists foresee this. it will take 1.5-2 years to get an effective vaccine (if there is one forthcoming) out there. by that time it'll be on its 2nd or 3rd cycle.SuperJail Warden wrote:
How many thousands of year head start did the flu have to run up it's yearly score? Do we want to have seasonal Wuhan like we have seasonal flu?
it'll never be eradicated and will probably just subsist on some level like another seasonal flu.
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The state of NJ has told schools to look into doing online classes. Online instruction can now count towards your state mandated minimum school day schedule.
This is fantastic. I can finally pursue my true life's passion (drug abuse) while working from home.
This is fantastic. I can finally pursue my true life's passion (drug abuse) while working from home.
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Why is the media people and crisis actors at the WHO dramatizing this so much? They are just trying to drive up their ratings to sell more commercials.The world’s leading health official implored international leaders to unleash the full power of their governments to combat the new coronavirus outbreak.
“This is not a drill,” said Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director general of the World Health Organization. “This is not a time for excuses. This is a time for pulling out all the stops.”
the whole issue of whether or not to declare the thing a pandemic (big scary word) has had a lot to do with 'optics' and comms tbh. it's like everyone is hesitant to use the word and accord The Thing its full recognition.
100,000+ people are infected in almost every country in the world with an international airport or cosmopolitan centre. people have died in every continent except antartica. it's a pandemic.
100,000+ people are infected in almost every country in the world with an international airport or cosmopolitan centre. people have died in every continent except antartica. it's a pandemic.
current best guess about the origin of the virus is that it came from pangolins, which are traded primarily for their scales.
it's almost like everything i've said to dilbert in this thread about his hysterical, xenophobic 'they eat bats!' stuff was depressingly correct.
you can stop shrouding your ignorant disgust at other cultures' cuisines as 'humanitarian' concern now.
and, like i said, banning 'over-consumption of protein' (a still mysterious, unexplained term) isn't going to stop the transmission of zoonotic diseases. it's almost as if the experts were, you know, right ...
it's almost like everything i've said to dilbert in this thread about his hysterical, xenophobic 'they eat bats!' stuff was depressingly correct.
you can stop shrouding your ignorant disgust at other cultures' cuisines as 'humanitarian' concern now.
and, like i said, banning 'over-consumption of protein' (a still mysterious, unexplained term) isn't going to stop the transmission of zoonotic diseases. it's almost as if the experts were, you know, right ...
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The Chinese do in fact eat pangolins.
as a rare delicacy, yes, but they are mostly trafficked and kept for their scales in medicine.
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Do people use those scales psychically or get physical with them in a way you shouldn't get physical with a disease prone animals?
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Why can't they safely farm them if they want it so badly?
wet markets are a problem, it's true, across all of asia rather than just china. but zoonotic illnesses from close contact with animals happen all over the world.
there's a lot more to it than farming for meat. human beings interact with animals for a multitude of reasons and ideal hygiene isn't always followed.
there's a lot more to it than farming for meat. human beings interact with animals for a multitude of reasons and ideal hygiene isn't always followed.
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Pangolins should be domesticated or destroyed.
lol.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … g-patients
i guess what we should really be doing is still racialising this issue, and making out that the chinese uniquely have disgusting eating habits/are dirty and unhygienic/are politically corrupt.
i guess what we should really be doing is still racialising this issue, and making out that the chinese uniquely have disgusting eating habits/are dirty and unhygienic/are politically corrupt.
I'm seeing this kind of thing on the news a lot. It's apparently enough to scare people into buying out all the toilet paper and beans, but to very roughly paraphrase, stories like: "oh by the way I was in close contact with a friend at a wedding a week ago and she has coronavirus, but I knew for like a week and am still coming to work. Should I stay home?"
a lack of clear information and guidance given to the public at large represents a considerable problem and fault with a government's crisis/disease control management.
a doctor presenting themselves at work to interact with the elderly, the ill, and the otherwise fragile and immunocompromised is perfectly fucking retarded.
dilbert is too busy pretending to be mock-outraged about how china treats its hospital staff to pay much mind to dumb australian GPs. i'm sure he'll find some excuse, he's a bloke, after all, a bloody aussie and no doubt a fellow white fella making some perfectly explainable mistake ...
a doctor presenting themselves at work to interact with the elderly, the ill, and the otherwise fragile and immunocompromised is perfectly fucking retarded.
dilbert is too busy pretending to be mock-outraged about how china treats its hospital staff to pay much mind to dumb australian GPs. i'm sure he'll find some excuse, he's a bloke, after all, a bloody aussie and no doubt a fellow white fella making some perfectly explainable mistake ...
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RIP Italy. It is strange how this virus has been batches of illness in unrelated places. Iran, Italy, United States, name a less iconic trio.