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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

RTHKI wrote:

oh mac

Just think that right now instead of arguing about Moroccans you could be looking up what a Roomba can do for you.

I would like a smart tv.

Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

We aren't talking about football fans or holiday-makers on a bender in a foreign country which they plan to leave.

We're talking about migrants rioting in their new home country, the country which has allowed to leave a third world country for life in a first world country.

agreed. the anglo saxons should get the fuck out of england and leave it for the original britons.

This man dilbert with the wounded temerity to call me a "racist hypocrite" is simultaneously out here with his latest, complaining about the unhinged "evolutionary subhumans" graced with the privilege of living among the civilized, inherently innocuous French race or whatever? I wish I was making this up.

Over and over again, stuff like BLM far less destructive than sensationalized, but I'm apparently a bleeding heart for pointing that out. "You just want to hate on white people. Making excuses for brown people." hhahahahahaha c s b

French conquest literally into the 1900s by the way. "Why are Moroccans like this?" lol

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2022-12-18 02:04:10)

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

We aren't talking about football fans or holiday-makers on a bender in a foreign country which they plan to leave.

We're talking about migrants rioting in their new home country, the country which has allowed to leave a third world country for life in a first world country.

agreed. the anglo saxons should get the fuck out of england and leave it for the original britons.

This man dilbert with the wounded temerity to call me a "racist hypocrite" is simultaneously out here with his latest, complaining about the unhinged "evolutionary subhumans" graced with the privilege of living among the civilized, inherently innocuous French race or whatever? I wish I was making this up.

I meant uziq, my bad.

erm i have plenty of sensitivity for 'working-class white english people', which is why i vote for left-wing parties and constantly talk about inequality, redistributive economics, social democratic welfare statism, etc. i believe, quite uncontroversially, that working-class whites have more shared material interests in common with migrant workers than they do with the elites running society. hence, i'm not drawn on your divisive and spurious racism and xenophobia. being sold this stuff by alarmist news headlines and buying into societal catastrophe narratives is one of the oldest tactics in the press baron/elite class playbook.

you holding moroccan immigrants to standards that you don't apply to white people, either because you're selectively ignorant of it or because you hold them to higher standards and carry some sort of misguided notion, of expecting them to be on their best behaviour, is just not good enough.

how is it deflecting to point out that the police's deployment brings problems of its own, particularly with their history of policing in these communities? it's directly relevant to the tinder-box dynamics. the french police are notorious for being heavy-handed and breaking heads. even dilbert has made reference to it here on this forum before, in another context. again, do better and think harder.

'only moroccans were rioting': again, i don't see any riots. i see small isolated pockets of fans clashing with police. and it's not only been moroccans who have been disorderly during the world cup. there were outbreaks of fighting from england fans ffs!

the idea that i'm 'racist towards whites' by pointing out incredibly well-documented football hooliganism and poor behaviour by brits abroad is just hilarious.

you keep ranting about western identity politics as if i give a shit about it. strange. that's your bugbear, not mine. i am really not passionate about gender, sexuality, race, etc, beyond reading and listening to what these groups have to say and giving them the time of day. i'm not marching for it or carrying a little subscriber badge.

although you do sound like someone on the jordan peterson–ben shapiro axis when you keep making out it's the greatest threat facing civilization.

Last edited by uziq (2022-12-18 03:27:35)

uziq wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLyC5ny3xpY

this literally happened during this world cup. what are you even talking about, it's only one fan group who have made trouble?

when have i 'routinely ranted' about white people campaigning for what they want? and you've handily dropped the 'working class' part there, lmao. so now i'm held accused of - what, exactly? disagreeing with something that a nondescript, generic 'white people' express? wow, colour me stunned. i'm sure you don't oppose anything done by 'white people' in total, dilbert. i mean really, get a fucking grip and make a point.

let me guess what you're driving at: opposing brexit, on quite principled, rational grounds, with substantive arguments in support of remaining, is ... racist against whites. let me fucking guess!

Last edited by uziq (2022-12-18 03:30:57)

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I was planning to dump her soon anyway. The Roomba is closure.

You're putting your dick in it, aren't you?

Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

This man dilbert[…]

I meant uziq, my bad.

You owe me a cat photo for your blunder.

so a number of the french football team have disabled their social media after receiving torrents of racist abuse and hatred from ... french football fans. (the same thing happens to the england team with depressing predictability, and is heavily racially coded: when harry kane duffed his penalty sky-high over the bar, ending england's chances, people were full of sympathy; not so for the young black britons at the last Euro finals, who were pilloried in the press and national conversation mercilessly for weeks.)

France players Kingsley Coman and Aurelien Tchouameni have been subjected to online racist abuse after missing their penalties in the World Cup final.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64031272

where's larssen's expressions of concern over this aspect of football fandom? racist abuse and bullying over an eenie weenie ball game? the usual questions from the 'far right' about their 'frenchness' and their qualifications for ciizenship, despite the majority of the team being born in france, or at least nativised since pre-school and pre-sporting age, and being proud of their dual-nationality?



why isn't this behaviour 'dangerous nationalism'? even their german club has to post public statements condemning it. and no, it's not whataboutery or diversion, either: toxic behaviour when winning or when losing can be threatening to 'democratic' politics and the public discourse of a nation, surely? why is it always about minor acts of property damage and street vandalism with you cultural conservatives, as posing the greatest risk to society?

i think it's hilarious how people of larssen and dilbert's persuasion present themselves as the 'rational guy in the street', 'saying it for how it is', and talking earnestly (or, in the case of dilbert, petulantly as ever) about the 'structural' issues inherent in the moroccan immigrant community. when, wouldn't you know, the biggest threat to domestic politics and law-and-order in places like Germany and France are posed by the far-right.

in the same week as the world cup news non-stories about a few burnt cars and clashes between underclass migrants and the heavy-handed police forces that routinely cuff them and demean them ... the german police literally busted a conspiracy to stage a far-right coup, implicating dozens of officials in the securit state, special forces/military-types, mid-tier judges and lawmakers, and even a zany pantomime pretender of a prince. you don't hear a peep of it from the 'official concerned' letter-writters of bf2s, however, with their brows forever furrowed at brown people or the supposed 'dangers' posed by 'wokism'. no, the machinations of the far-right and their quite literally deadly plans are all somehow understandable; or, by circuitousness of reason, all the 'fault' of those unruly migrants for turning them that way, anyway.

the reichburger movement in germany is a bigger threat than islamism or islamist terrorism. that's per the german state's own admission, who are normally extremely reticent to mention or confront anything about radicalism or racism in the state/police forces. germany's official policy is to blind itself to this stuff normally. but this sort of thing is too salacious and too fucking outrageous to be ignored.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2022/decembe … -of-danger

The biggest danger of political violence in Germany today comes from right-wing extremists. The group around Reuß was typical of the Reichsbürger in that many of its members had connections to the state security apparatus. There were enough current and former special forces, police officers and politicians that they might well have succeeded, for a while at least, in their plan to shut down large parts of Germany’s power supply and storm the Bundestag. The death toll would almost certainly have been high.

The internal security services believe there to be as many as 23,000 Reichsbürger, but say that only around 5 per cent are right-wing extremists. This is baffling. How can there be a moderate version of the claim that the peace agreement signed after the Second World War was illegitimate? What would a centrist version be of the position that German democracy is prima facie invalid, and either the National Socialists or the monarchy should be restored to power? It may be true that only a small percentage of the Reichsbürger are potentially violent terrorists, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t all right-wing extremists.

there's people in germany literally plotting 'false flag' operations, people with military training and weapons/ammo, which they're intending to blame on 'leftists' or 'wokists'. one of the main plotters in this (frankly farcical) coup attempt was a person of mixed heritage who was hoping that his surname and biographical details would 'cause the media to home in on his migrant status'.



then you've got useful idiots like larssen ignoring all of it, and getting oh-so-terribly-concerned over the behaviour of football fans of a migrant background.  nothing said about the violence or street fights from white fans. nothing said about the nationalistic, far-right invective spent on players of colour by white fans. you just could not make this shit up. rather than actually recognizing any of these very real threats and harms to democratic society, they'd rather accuse me of being 'racist against whites' and 'trying to stop whites from campaigning for what they want'. like what? a return to the imperial german/british/french (you choose) state and a reversal of the last 70 years of history? lmao a reasonable campaign.

overexcited football fans in the slums: 'dangerous nationalism'. but you won't see a peep about the above. derp derp derp.

Last edited by uziq (2022-12-20 16:16:27)

i think there's a greater understanding of plurality and tolerance exhibited in the vast majority of, e.g., moroccan fans, who stood side-to-side with their french compatriots dressed in the tri-color and cheering the other team ... than in the sort of lughead 'footballing patriot' who thinks it's okay to bomb a player's DMs with the n-word and 'go home' rhetoric because they missed a penalty.

but remember, pointing to huge criminal conspiracies and active extremist networks is 'scrambling to point fingers elsewhere'.

the real present danger is the way a tiny group decide to create a fracas at a once-every-4-years football tournament.

Last edited by uziq (2022-12-20 16:55:22)