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Dilbert_X wrote:

The point is across the world middle of the road conservative leaders see identity politics of all kinds being socially corrosive and leading to more intolerance instead of less.
but like who? trump? putin? orban? now the muslim leader of indonesia is -- reluctanctly -- being admitted to your little line-up? the a-team?

you take the fight back to society man! deus vult!
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

we've had this conversation so many times before.

e: i'm gonna redact the casanova stuff. but yes.
Your arguments about muslims make no sense at all, they weren't really observant muslims if they were partying with you were they?

"I met a nice jewish girl, she was fine with eating pork, sucking gentile dick and cosplaying as a nazi - seems jews are cool after all"

The point is across the world middle of the road conservative leaders see identity politics of all kinds being socially corrosive and leading to more intolerance instead of less.
"It was better when they didn't call themselves gay!"

"I liked it better when marginal groups stayed on the margins and accepted their lower social status!"

"I don't like it when I have to acknowledge that gay people exist."

Identity politics is by and large a problem of factionalism. It's a real issue within political science, but let's look at it for what it is, instead of adding a layer of bigotry on top.
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uziq wrote:

you'd realise this pretty quickly if you ever met and socialised with a single muslim in your life. it's pretty normal and accepted, even in 'traditional' families, for the young members of the family to have a few years out, being students, growing up. it's much more tolerated with the young men, especially the oldest, than with the daughters, admittedly, but it's a tacit acknowledgment all the same.
Most Muslims are fine and the ones here are pretty Americanized. I am actually pretty find of the Arab students at my school. Most are Coptic but there are Muslims too. It probably helps that a lot of them look Hispanic. The fact that I look Arab probably makes them comfortable around me too. They are overwhelmingly good kids. I really struggle to think of a bad one. The parents are also great people. They seem grateful to be here and I haven't met a mean one yet.

Believe it or not but I am actually very protective of my kids. I also want them to fit in and have happy and productive lives. Islam won't let them do it. It will just keep them sad and alienated from society. That is why Ilhan Omar must take off her scarf and leave the building.
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dilbert the childless, wifeless anti-natalist and misanthrope is very concerned about The Future of Society, y'see.

why should gay men undermine the sanctity of the family unit and of having conjugal relations in one's marriage bed, with the blessings of god?
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Jesus fuck, y'all. I've been gone 13 hours and have to read through 2+ pages worth of new posts.
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they are good. Make some popcorn
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uziq wrote:

dilbert the childless, wifeless anti-natalist and misanthrope is very concerned about The Future of Society, y'see.
I suppose wifeless, childless drug-abusers with no useful role in society have the monopoly on opinion here.
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ooh do me next!
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

ooh do me next!
I think that one applies to you too.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

"It was better when they didn't call themselves gay!"

"I liked it better when marginal groups stayed on the margins and accepted their lower social status!"

"I don't like it when I have to acknowledge that gay people exist."

Identity politics is by and large a problem of factionalism. It's a real issue within political science, but let's look at it for what it is, instead of adding a layer of bigotry on top.
I don't care what gay people do, if they could just keep themselves to themselves and not demand special treatment and constant attention things would be better all round.
Otherwise lets give all the same rights to paedophiles, they have more history behind them than gays and transgenders.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

dilbert the childless, wifeless anti-natalist and misanthrope is very concerned about The Future of Society, y'see.
I suppose wifeless, childless drug-abusers with no useful role in society have the monopoly on opinion here.
the crucial difference is that i'm at the start of the years of family life and continuing society. you're finished, mate. and you're full of spite and bitterness. you must have a lot of time to be so bothered by their 'attention seeking'. seems to me you're one of the main people granting them attention.

i accept gay people and transgender people. they're not going to interfere with me putting a few little uziques out there. once again, there's nothing contradictory in my views because i'm not the one making reactionary and rebarbative statements. i think it's all pretty fine and dandy.

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uziq wrote:

you're full of spite and bitterness
No, I just don't agree with your weird views.
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Would you disappointed if your son came out as a tranny, Uzi?

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Dilbert_X wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

"It was better when they didn't call themselves gay!"

"I liked it better when marginal groups stayed on the margins and accepted their lower social status!"

"I don't like it when I have to acknowledge that gay people exist."

Identity politics is by and large a problem of factionalism. It's a real issue within political science, but let's look at it for what it is, instead of adding a layer of bigotry on top.
I don't care what gay people do, if they could just keep themselves to themselves and not demand special treatment and constant attention things would be better all round.
Otherwise lets give all the same rights to paedophiles, they have more history behind them than gays and transgenders.
they don't want special treatment dude. They want equal treatment, i.e. not to be ostracized and denied access to the same things you and i enjoy without the glaring eyes of society.

Safe spaces were originally gay bars where gay men and women were able to socialize without the fear of getting beat up for doing what hetero people are able to do everywhere.

Stop being obtuse with your gay = pedophile slippery slope fallacy nonsense.
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uziq wrote:

it's almost as if all he really cares about at root is keeping his home country white, rather than any sort of 'lauded' value that the west supposedly holds.
Why is it OK for every non-caucasion nation to aggressively protect their race and national identity to the exclusion of all others, and project themselves into other countries, but western nations are expected to dissolve themselves and disappear 'for the greater good'?
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

they don't want special treatment dude. They want equal treatment, i.e. not to be ostracized and denied access to the same things you and i enjoy without the glaring eyes of society.

Safe spaces were originally gay bars where gay men and women were able to socialize without the fear of getting beat up for doing what hetero people are able to do everywhere.

Stop being obtuse with your gay = pedophile slippery slope fallacy nonsense.
I'm sure paedophiles would like equal treatment too, a safe space they can meet up with kids without fear of getting beaten up, what's obtuse about it?
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oh i'm sure murderers and rapists would too. Also spousal abusers. Maybe some crack heads sprinkled in there. I think the bogeyman wants a safe space, and I think we should give it to them.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Would you disappointed if your son came out as a tranny, Uzi?
nope.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

you're full of spite and bitterness
No, I just don't agree with your weird views.
my weird views, letting gays and trans activists protest for equal legal rights as they see fit. yes, i'm really 'out there'.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

it's almost as if all he really cares about at root is keeping his home country white, rather than any sort of 'lauded' value that the west supposedly holds.
Why is it OK for every non-caucasion nation to aggressively protect their race and national identity to the exclusion of all others, and project themselves into other countries, but western nations are expected to dissolve themselves and disappear 'for the greater good'?
i mean, we all already knew that the subtext for 85% of your posts here are tabloid-level 'great replacement theory' stuff. it's just so refreshing to hear you say it, dilbs!
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The question still stands.

China, India, Pakistan, Burma, Israel, Malaysia, Indonesia, Japan, every African country etc are all busy promoting exclusionary mono-cultures, but we're expected to welcome them into our society or be called racists and bigots.
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uziq wrote:

my weird views, letting gays and trans activists protest for equal legal rights as they see fit. yes, i'm really 'out there'.
'as they see fit' - there you have it.
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as in, on issues that affect them and where they perceive an inequality, dilbert. do you think the court system isn’t robust enough or something? where are they being granted special, overweening privileges?

you’ve consistently failed to answer, except in the most vague and prophetic terms about ‘the future of society’ or ‘our social fabric’, just why gay men wanting to be married or transgender people wanting to reassign their genders, affects you in any way? other people being granted legal and civil rights doesn’t deprive you of your existing ones. other people making mistakes and mutilating their genitals (your view, not mine) is their personal responsibility, not your problem.

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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The question still stands.

China, India, Pakistan, Burma, Israel, Malaysia, Indonesia, Japan, every African country etc are all busy promoting exclusionary mono-cultures, but we're expected to welcome them into our society or be called racists and bigots.
so you're saying the west should seek to become more like burma (lol), japan (lol), african developing nations and israel (*chef's kiss*). otherwise their mono-cultures, thousands of miles away, are somehow going to outperform ours. the homogeneity of mozambique is going to have the last laugh over our piebald western petri dish!

because if there's one thing that's posing a threat to us from countries like china, it isn't their giant size and economy, it's their tougher line on identity politics. the great chinese catch-up isn't in fact an economic miracle, or a feat of centralised power and planning; it is in fact the great chinese crack-down. no trannies, no inflation!

seems like a laudable aim.

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