BF2S Forums Toys ‘R’ Us uses H1B Foreign Workers to U.S. to Move Jobs Overseas

Dilbert_X wrote:

So you didn't join the Army out of idealism and concern for your fellow citizen then, it was venal self-interest?

Uncontrolled migration and trade does dissolve boundaries, this brings the average person down to the level and influence of the poorest least democratic state and elevates the wealth and power of the people at the top - I don't understand why you're in favour of this.

The average person in a developed country is not in favour of this at all, they don't blindly swallow the Ayn Rand/Adam Smith hocus pocus.

And wow, you must have been exposed to a lot of cultures in Noo Yawk - how many countries have you actually lived in? Living in a tent in a military base doesn't count.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

MacB did you hear any news about the Indian PM visiting Silicon Valley and pleading with the Indian population there to come back to India?  They are seriously complaining about the brain drain there.  He was appealing to emotion instead of trying to show what India can do better as a country to make it worth their while to stay.  There's some incredible talent (and tech companies) coming out of India but as long as there is better pay and better overall opportunity the overwhelming majority are going to flee to greener pastures.  I'd like to see India actually incentivize their workforce into staying through policy and action instead of just trying to appeal to "come back to your homeland and help make it better".

By the way I was pretty much the only one that commented on your OP.  Everyone else just offers up stupid little one-liners or weird pseudo-philosophical worldview nonsense.  Go us! Although I totally don't agree with the idea of gentrification on a national level due to immigration and visas and whatnot.  Bring 'em on!

Give us your strong, your rich, your intellectually superior masses yearning for a big mac, diet coke and SUV.  Oh, and we'll take some of the poor and weak too.  Like Vincent said in Twins, "After all, fair is fair".

I didn't hear about that. I only heard about the Chinese Premier meeting with several Silicon Valley people a few days ago. I'm guessing that story must have been buried. There was a story in the Atlantic a few days ago (Can you guess which magazine I like to read?), that was about how teaching students in India solely about engineering was given a second thought in a part of the country well known for creating engineering students and IT workers.
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar … rs/409699/

In any case, even if immigration from these places offered a net economic benefit and didn't drive down wages, I am skeptical of the effects of mass immigration into the U.S. from places like Indian, China, and countries outside of Europe on American society. Of course the the children born in the U.S. to India parents are Americans. They speak like us, like our music, and so fourth but if there ever was a conflict between the U.S. and those places, I question their commitment to the U.S. I know people are going to bring up German Americans siding with the U.S. and totally assimilating into the U.S. as proof that loyalty to America ideals and the places of their birth overrides ethno-religious identities but this time is different. Further, this sort of multiculturalism prevents class organization and consciousness from forming and makes the lower classes easier to exploit.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So you didn't join the Army out of idealism and concern for your fellow citizen then, it was venal self-interest?

Uncontrolled migration and trade does dissolve boundaries, this brings the average person down to the level and influence of the poorest least democratic state and elevates the wealth and power of the people at the top - I don't understand why you're in favour of this.

The average person in a developed country is not in favour of this at all, they don't blindly swallow the Ayn Rand/Adam Smith hocus pocus.

And wow, you must have been exposed to a lot of cultures in Noo Yawk - how many countries have you actually lived in? Living in a tent in a military base doesn't count.

I joined the army mostly because I was raised on war stories. I looked up to my father, who in turn looked up to his own WWII veteran father, and who was extremely proud of the time that he served in the military during Vietnam. It wasn't until I grew up a bit that I saw that his pride was rather sad. If the biggest thing you feel you can be proud of took place when you were 16-20 years old, you peaked early and rather low.

I grew up playing war games and envisioned myself one day becoming a great general. Probably very similar to sh1fty and war man actually. I did not, however, grow up a nationalist. I refuse to mount a flag on my front porch.

As for where I've lived, well, I'll break out this map again:

I've lived in the equivalent of Georgia, Alexandria, Tripoli and Athens. Or Moscow, Geneva, Stockholm and Kiev if you slide it north.

It really is a shame that your views are so old-fashioned.

The differences between a person living in Alabama and a person living in NYC are not nearly the same as the difference between an Orthodox Georgian and an Arab Muslim. I take yearly trips to Florida. I can speak the same language, know the same laws, watch the same television, eat the same food etc. It's not nearly as different as me meeting an Arab living in the Nile.

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

MacB did you hear any news about the Indian PM visiting Silicon Valley and pleading with the Indian population there to come back to India?  They are seriously complaining about the brain drain there.  He was appealing to emotion instead of trying to show what India can do better as a country to make it worth their while to stay.  There's some incredible talent (and tech companies) coming out of India but as long as there is better pay and better overall opportunity the overwhelming majority are going to flee to greener pastures.  I'd like to see India actually incentivize their workforce into staying through policy and action instead of just trying to appeal to "come back to your homeland and help make it better".

By the way I was pretty much the only one that commented on your OP.  Everyone else just offers up stupid little one-liners or weird pseudo-philosophical worldview nonsense.  Go us! Although I totally don't agree with the idea of gentrification on a national level due to immigration and visas and whatnot.  Bring 'em on!

Give us your strong, your rich, your intellectually superior masses yearning for a big mac, diet coke and SUV.  Oh, and we'll take some of the poor and weak too.  Like Vincent said in Twins, "After all, fair is fair".

I didn't hear about that. I only heard about the Chinese Premier meeting with several Silicon Valley people a few days ago. I'm guessing that story must have been buried. There was a story in the Atlantic a few days ago (Can you guess which magazine I like to read?), that was about how teaching students in India solely about engineering was given a second thought in a part of the country well known for creating engineering students and IT workers.
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar … rs/409699/

In any case, even if immigration from these places offered a net economic benefit and didn't drive down wages, I am skeptical of the effects of mass immigration into the U.S. from places like Indian, China, and countries outside of Europe on American society. Of course the the children born in the U.S. to India parents are Americans. They speak like us, like our music, and so fourth but if there ever was a conflict between the U.S. and those places, I question their commitment to the U.S. I know people are going to bring up German Americans siding with the U.S. and totally assimilating into the U.S. as proof that loyalty to America ideals and the places of their birth overrides ethno-religious identities but this time is different. Further, this sort of multiculturalism prevents class organization and consciousness from forming and makes the lower classes easier to exploit.

I'm so glad you wasted your money on a degree in Cultural Marxism.

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

I'm so glad you wasted your money on a degree in Cultural Marxism.

???

What? I'm pretty much rejecting multiculturalism and defended the concept of nation states.

Yes, but your reasons are silly. Preventing class organization? Aiding exploitation of the lower classes? You've made this argument regarding the south before, and I told you why southerners don't vote for socialists. It's got nothing to do with class identity. There will never be a proletariat revolt. Ever. Anywhere. That is organic.

Jay wrote:

I've lived in the equivalent of Georgia, Alexandria, Tripoli and Athens. Or Moscow, Geneva, Stockholm and Kiev if you slide it north.

• oppose the despicable corporate strategy of total exploitation in bulk layoffs of American workers after having them train their foreign replacements
• possibly support unionization or government expansion to limit companies' ability to do this to people, rather than rely on anemic boycotts and languid public shaming that might have less of an impact than a bug on a windshield
• assume that many of its married readers would be opposed to their husbands losing their jobs [or their own]

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Anyway, let's take a step away from Jay's stupid bullshit.

On May 28, Disney/ABC Television Group gave about 35 tech workers from New York and Burbank, CA, news no one wants to hear—their last day working for the company would be at the end of July. On top of that, they would have to train foreign replacements, which were brought in by an IT contractor.
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If this story sounds familiar, the news comes just months after 250 Disney workers were laid off in the Parks and Resorts department. Many of those workers also had to train their replacements, who came from India on temporary work visas known as H-1B visas. News of those layoffs created an online uproar, with the original New York Times report about it getting almost 3,000 comments. WomansDay.com's story on the controversy got shared almost 8,000 times.

http://www.womansday.com/life/work-mone … ls-layoff/

The second set of 35 layoffs were cancelled but the other 250 people lost their jobs to foreigners from India. I don't see how these workers could have been any better than the American group besides cost.

It's interesting that a woman's website would make a fuss about this also. Feminist are democrat voters but might realize that foreign workers are a threat to American women's independence and to the rights they have won recognition for.

Boohoo. If you're so bad at your job that you can be replaced by someone on the other side of the world you deserve to lose it.

The only people I ever hear advocating for unions are either lazy or incompetent. I'm really not surprised that you want to be carried through life.