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And he led a prolonged campaign against the Shia majority twice in the 90's. What is your point?

Dilbert_X wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Syrian infrastructure is intact?

Are the Syrians bombing their own power stations, bridges, water purification plants, telephone networks?

yes

put your money where your mouth is, macbeth. if you*re just talking to hear yourself, that's lip service.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I can understand how a young goat herder in some remote village would find fighting a war to be an adventure that beats being a poor farmer. I can even understand people in wealthy countries signing up. Being able to dedicate and give your life for something greater than yourself sounds a lot better than having a 30 year mortgage and Sunday PTA meetings. I think westerners would be happier and healthier as a whole if we had our own crusade or other adventure to channel our youth's energy.

well, yeah. after all, judging by the way your nation handles education and other social affairs atm, your youth's energy cannot really be spent in any other meaningful way - killing brown people seems the only option left.

and you, of course, have evidence of there being recruitment camps, or russian soldiers posing as "insurgents" in ukraine, and all that jazz, right? let's see some already. because, you know, i'm right here,  in moscow, and... no recruitment of the kind you mentioned is going on.

Last edited by Shahter (2014-08-22 01:13:43)

you posted evidence? or, ffs, did anyone here posted any evidence for their claims re russian involvement with civil war in ukraine? you know, a verifiable piece of info that couldn't have been manufactured by a 12 years old? no? well, then you've nothing, huh? i thought so. you don't know shit, and you are telling me - a person who actually have the means to verify stuff and see for himself things that you only have second hand info on - that there are "recruitment camps in moscow"? really?

well, okay, we can agree on one thing i'm sure - don't bother posting crap. there's enough of it here already imo.

Shahter wrote:

"recruitment camps in moscow"

He's probably talking about those red barracks with the round, pointy watchtowers and guards patrolling outside.

RTHKI wrote:

can i post poop instead

That would have a higher IQ that some people posting in this thread.

ah, drives. my bad.

well, anyway, i just checked - none of that is actually happening: no fliers, no phone numbers, no offices, no e-mail addresses, nothing. there are groups in social media for those, who would volunteer to fight for separatists in ukraine - bloody psychos if you ask me - but that hardly passes for "recruitment drives".

so, any more "evidence"?

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.

You do realize ISIS is also an offshoot of Al Qaeda Iraq right?

Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.

You do realize ISIS is also an offshoot of Al Qaeda Iraq right?

They didn't hold territory and weren't a threat to regional peace before they joined with the Syrian Islamist groups.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.

I don't get it?

Are you saying it would be better if the West had helped ISIS overthrow Assad and take control of Syria?

Many of the Syrian rebels, the ones the Russians thought it far too dangerous to arm or assist, are the crazy psychos who formed ISIS.

Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.

You do realize ISIS is also an offshoot of Al Qaeda Iraq right?

I don't think that's accurate. They are former allies of Al Qaeda.

Shahter wrote:

ah, drives. my bad.

well, anyway, i just checked - none of that is actually happening: no fliers, no phone numbers, no offices, no e-mail addresses, nothing. there are groups in social media for those, who would volunteer to fight for separatists in ukraine - bloody psychos if you ask me - but that hardly passes for "recruitment drives".

so, any more "evidence"?

These things happen in subtle ways, typically through socially media. I doubt you would be aware of this stuff - much as I am unaware of the ISIS recruiting for Jihad in London - because you are not the sort of psycho they are looking for.

I have a very split mindset when it comes to the situation in Ukraine. There is clearly some Russian involvement which goes beyond what can reasonably be justified as humanitarian - but the Ukrainians are no saints. Ukrainians, despite their pro-Europe bias, seem to widely hold some very backward beliefs. Their government (or at least large parts of it) is made up of softened, westernised, fascists spreading their special brand of fascism lite which is just soft enough not to offend their Western allies they are so eager to ingratiate themselves with. I don't agree with the political ideologies in Ukraine, but I don't agree with what Russia are doing there either.

But hey - not relevant to the Middle East.