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Do you know that contact tracing in the UK never basically worked at all?

Data from NHS Test and Trace shows that mass participation events can be conducted safely, but caution must still be taken around specific aspects of event participation.

I doubt they proved anything whatsoever

England’s covid-19 testing and tracing system failed to achieve its main objective—to break chains of transmission and enable people to return to a more normal life—despite an “eye watering” budget of £37bn (€44bn; $51bn), MPs have said.1

The damning report from the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee said that the contact tracing service was one of the most expensive health programmes delivered during the pandemic, equal to nearly 20% of the entire 2020-21 NHS England budget. However, after it was set up the UK still had two national lockdowns and significant case numbers.

“Its outcomes have been muddled and a number of its professed aims have been overstated or not achieved,” the MPs said.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2606

Nothing was 'thoroughly tested and traced' at any stage, we know that now.

This was delivered under Matt Hancock. Was he really a man to believe?

Just think, if the govt hadn't so thoroughly botched the covid response kids could have had pretty well normal lives, instead they largely acted as vectors and infected everyone else.

But schoolchildren and young adults were transmitting the virus to other people, who were dying.

What you said was 100 people dying per day was acceptable. Now you've seen what it looks like do you still think so?

100 deaths is 100 deaths.

How many people have died in crowd crushes in Korea in the last 50 years?

Seems like the risk is acceptable, statistically speaking.

Most govts have ridden roughshod over the 'epidemiological consensus' of the experts, the 'end of the pandemic' being no exception.

Did the British govt publish advice saying Brits should move abroad, possibly needing govt help to be repatriated if things turned to shit again?
I'm doubtful.

i am saying preventable tragedies come on a scale, and easily avoidable tragedies are in a utilitarian sense 'worse' than complex tragedies. erm, is that not obvious?

of course a death is a death, and to all loved ones the loss is the same. but, in an objective sense, not all deaths are equal, no. aren't you familiar with the concept of 'loss of opportunity' in tort law? if a young person dies it is considered a bigger 'harm' by the court than if an old retired person dies; there's a lifetime of productive activity that is lost in the process. of course a 21-year-old being crushed to death in an extremely panicked, painful scene is in some measure 'worse' than an old person dying of seasonal flu/pneumonia/covid.

are covid deaths 'avoidable'? are flu deaths each year 'avoidable'? well, yes, but society can only take reasonable precautions. the costs of ensuring total avoidability are, again, orders of magnitude higher than making an event reasonably safe. are you really this dumb man? i feel like i am talking to an idiot. to achieve zero crowd-crush deaths is almost trivially, maddeningly easy; to achieve a zero death rate nationally from covid is practically an insuperable problem, not even the most totalitarian govts on earth can manage it. am i losing my fucking mind here or what?

and what does this utterly pained and contrived comparison between the seoul crush and covid deaths have to do with one another again? you've been a total prick to me over my response because ... i flew to korea 1.75 years ago during a pandemic and followed all the covid rules? now it's my fault and my ethical responsibility that people are still dying from covid? because i went out on the weekend? is that it? you are fucking out of your mind.

Did the British govt publish advice saying Brits should move abroad, possibly needing govt help to be repatriated if things turned to shit again?

lmao you love making shit up. this is really desperate. why would anyone need to be repatriated? lots of foreigners were already in japan, korea, taiwan, etc, when the pandemic arrived. they were simply given visa extensions and allowed to remain, rather than, you know, risk taking a flight to a potentially more dangerous place. i followed the government advice, don't you worry, chump.

Last edited by uziq (2022-11-02 05:01:09)

uziq wrote:

lmao you love making shit up. this is really desperate. why would anyone need to be repatriated? lots of foreigners were already in japan, korea, taiwan, etc, when the pandemic arrived. they were simply given visa extensions and allowed to remain, rather than, you know, risk taking a flight to a potentially more dangerous place. i followed the government advice, don't you worry, chump.

An awful lot of people decided they wanted to be repatriated during covid, at great cost and many of them brought covid with them.
So again I'm sure the informed health advice was not to travel abroad.

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

lmao you love making shit up. this is really desperate. why would anyone need to be repatriated? lots of foreigners were already in japan, korea, taiwan, etc, when the pandemic arrived. they were simply given visa extensions and allowed to remain, rather than, you know, risk taking a flight to a potentially more dangerous place. i followed the government advice, don't you worry, chump.

An awful lot of people decided they wanted to be repatriated during covid, at great cost and many of them brought covid with them.
So again I'm sure the informed health advice was not to travel abroad.

the ‘informed advice’ was for essential travel only. we’ve had this discussion 5 times before. can’t believe we are here again, seemingly triggered by a crowd crush in seoul. it really doesn’t make you look good.

and, as of the last 5 times we had this discussion: i had to present my visa and reason for leaving to border police at heathrow. my travel was deemed ‘essential’. it wasn’t a holiday. i was leaving the country for at least 12 months. this was signed off, stamped, and approved by two separate governments. did i need your personal approval too? get fucked lmao. you want to weigh my luggage and check through my carry-on belongings too, sweetheart?

this repatriation situation only applied to australia with your total border closure system. we didn’t have the same costly repatriation lottery. certainly never applied to korea or their relations with the UK.

again, how about you stop projecting every type of wrongdoing and calumny onto me? i’m not responsible for the totality of a global pandemic dilbert.

Last edited by uziq (2022-11-02 04:37:31)

people relocate for work all the time. why do i need to explain myself to you? get over yourself. what i did was completely legal and deemed OK. the receiving government at the time being one of the strictest covid regimes on the planet at the time. and they were okay with signing off on it. so it doesn't please you because you're worried about your parents copping it? fuck off.

i am not allowed to be upset over a crowd crush because i got on a plane 1.75 years ago, with fully stamped documents.

that one action now means every covid death in korea is my fault, apparently. even though i've never had covid in korea.

you can't make it up!

let me know how it goes proposing to a girl that she remains a spinster at home with her mum for the prime years of her life because you want to fuck other people and write hacky amateur porn on reddit about your escapades.

the pressed shirt should carry it, methinks.

i was going to say, in china any woman over about 28 is on the scrapheap and can’t find a ‘prestige’ husband. into the 30s and 40s and you’ll probably find a woman who has prioritised her own career or so on and made peace with that.

but in my experience girls age 25-35 are going through all the most anxieties and pressures about settling down. it doesn’t help that in east asian cultures they can barely claim full adult independence until they’re on the point of moving in with another guy.

The girl I slept with last night was 26