What do I type in to do a research? Since we are so stupid, can you point us in the right direction? Or are you currently in your fatigues on your iphone hunkered down for the long haul?
It is more fun reading the posts when you don't research what you talk about.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
What do I type in to do a research? Since we are so stupid, can you point us in the right direction? Or are you currently in your fatigues on your iphone hunkered down for the long haul?
Carry on.
There's an absurdly small amount of people working for the government to manage all the land they own out West. My friend was working for the BLM last summer and she was responsible tens of thousands of acres, as were the other ~10 people in the office. It's enough work trying to prevent stuff from burning down, but you also have some of the sort of dickish ranchers who view all that publicly owned land as their own personal garden. The Feds would arguably be able to take these fuckers down hard, but it's a tough sell like with the previous Bundy debacle if you lose lives over things like grazing fees and they're pretty image-conscious (at least domestically) after that whole Waco thing.
The land should be given to the states or sold. It isn't because the fed makes money off it and wants to control mineral, gas, water rights.
If the fed finds value in the blm land near you, oil water gas gold location..... , they run you out of business and off your land by raising fee, using epa, denying permit or lease.
The fed has become the king. Taxes, land control, gun laws...... look at the fed budget. The fed is out of control, drunk with power and it's fingers in everything. State and individual rights be damned.
Yeah, blm is a provlem.
If the fed finds value in the blm land near you, oil water gas gold location..... , they run you out of business and off your land by raising fee, using epa, denying permit or lease.
The fed has become the king. Taxes, land control, gun laws...... look at the fed budget. The fed is out of control, drunk with power and it's fingers in everything. State and individual rights be damned.
Yeah, blm is a provlem.
why should the land be given to the state or sold? Unfortunately there is vast historical evidence that allowing private interests the ability to steward the land results in the land being turned into wasteland.
FYI i have read up now on both the Bundys and the Hammond's. I take back nothing of what I've said in this thread. The people occupying the ranger station at the bird sanctuary (who are probably engaging in a ritualistic orgy on the American Flag as we speak) are fucking dumbos.
I can give you links to what I read if you want. It was two articles in the economist, an article on fivethirtyeight and an article in the Las Vegas Sun. I also read an incoherent article on some joke of a website called SuperStation95.
FYI i have read up now on both the Bundys and the Hammond's. I take back nothing of what I've said in this thread. The people occupying the ranger station at the bird sanctuary (who are probably engaging in a ritualistic orgy on the American Flag as we speak) are fucking dumbos.
I can give you links to what I read if you want. It was two articles in the economist, an article on fivethirtyeight and an article in the Las Vegas Sun. I also read an incoherent article on some joke of a website called SuperStation95.
Yes ken, the fed should own all land because the state and citizens are not trustworthy enough to own land.
Obviously the people protesting the fed are the dumbasses and nowhere as informed as you after your 3 articles.
Please give you land to the fed ken, you can't be trusted.
Obviously the people protesting the fed are the dumbasses and nowhere as informed as you after your 3 articles.
Please give you land to the fed ken, you can't be trusted.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/us/oregon … index.htmlAmmon Bundy, a leader of the armed protesters who took over a federal building in Oregon, and his family are known for battling the federal government.
But Bundy told CNN on Tuesday that he's not opposed to government and said that taking a six-figure loan from the Small Business Administration doesn't conflict with his political philosophy.
Bundy borrowed $530,000 in 2010 for his company, Valet Fleet Service LLC, according to public records on usaspending.gov. Valet Fleet Service is a truck maintenance company in Arizona.
"I am not anti-government," he said when asked about the loan while standing outside the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, adding that he thinks "there is a role for government and that the federal government's role is to protect the states from the outside world."
"And the state's role is to protect the counties from the federal government -- and the county's role is to protect the people from the state so the people can go about freely using their lands and resources and their rights. ... So there's a role, but all government's role is to serve the people. Whenever those governments step out, then that's when we step in."
Bundy denied he was being hypocritical about the loan because it "was an effort in assisting the people in using their rights."
Typical. Every 'small government' person will not hesitate to take government money and services when it is offered. FEOS, lowing, Jay, etc. I am not sure if the "small government" thing has to do more with personal shame or selfishness.
You seem have reduced his point to the most simplistic of levels, and then threw it to the side and constructed a straw man of your own that KEN is saying the government should own everything.MajorSpittle wrote:
Yes ken, the fed should own all land because the state and citizens are not trustworthy enough to own land.
Obviously the people protesting the fed are the dumbasses and nowhere as informed as you after your 3 articles.
Please give you land to the fed ken, you can't be trusted.
He's not saying that, but if you want to see what happens when private business interests for mining, logging, or ranching go forward with reckless abandon, read about the West before the National Parks and other such protected areas were created.
Yep, I very clearly stated that the Federal Government should own all the land. Reading comprehension is a basic sign of intelligence. Go get yourself some.MajorSpittle wrote:
Yes ken, the fed should own all land because the state and citizens are not trustworthy enough to own land.
Obviously the people protesting the fed are the dumbasses and nowhere as informed as you after your 3 articles.
Please give you land to the fed ken, you can't be trusted.
The people protesting the fed are dumbasses because they erroneously believe the Federal Government doesn't have the authority to administer land on behalf of the people, and cite an article of the constitution that has no relevance to their cause. First the Minutemen, then the Tea Party Patriots, now this. A bunch of racist white men trying to find a constructive avenue to take out their daddy issues and pent up homosexual rage.
I bet you're one of those people that rallies on and on about the evils of government but then turns to them when something goes wrong. Weren't you in the armed forces too? Jesus Christ this forum pulls in the most cognitively dissonant people in the world.
And it was 5 articles, including one so incoherent all I could make out was "BLM/FWS bad, 19th century era ranchers gud."
An interesting side note - the grazing fees the federal government charges are about 10% of the market price of private land grazing fees. The Bundys were essentially being subsidized by the federal government they hate so so much.
Ken you have so serious issues with homosexuality.
I don't feel I can argue with you because you don't understand the issue, make any sense, and your posts are mostly about cock sucking and homosexuality which seems to be your main interest with this story and a reoccurring theme in your knowledge about the protesters.
Perhaps. You could show us on a doll where the protesters touched you.
I don't feel I can argue with you because you don't understand the issue, make any sense, and your posts are mostly about cock sucking and homosexuality which seems to be your main interest with this story and a reoccurring theme in your knowledge about the protesters.
Perhaps. You could show us on a doll where the protesters touched you.
I've asked this before...what is the issue? Maybe you saying more than "it's about BLM and water" will help me understand. I'm literally taking the Bundys own words as the issue at hand, and arguing against that. Maybe you are like Jay in that you like to create your own little narrative in order to be at peace with siding with racist homosexuals. Notice all my posts have been directed at the homos garrisoned in the ranger station at the bird sanctuary (or as the homos like to say, "the patriots occupying a federal compound").
Although i really do like playing the "you don't know what you're talking about, I'm much more informed about you than this and it's too hard to explain, so let's just say you're dumb AND wrong" game. It's one of my faves.
The homosexuality theme is largely out of jest at these dudes who obviously think they are the alpha males of all alpha males. Think gay orgy Sparta or Roman buttfucking legionnaires. It's a recurring theme throughout history, so it makes sense to me.
Although i really do like playing the "you don't know what you're talking about, I'm much more informed about you than this and it's too hard to explain, so let's just say you're dumb AND wrong" game. It's one of my faves.
The homosexuality theme is largely out of jest at these dudes who obviously think they are the alpha males of all alpha males. Think gay orgy Sparta or Roman buttfucking legionnaires. It's a recurring theme throughout history, so it makes sense to me.
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MajorSpittle wrote:
Ken you have so serious issues with homosexuality.
Why so serious?
Let's put a smile on that gape.
Let's put a smile on that gape.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 … rsecution/
http://www.oregonfb.org/2015/10/07/stat … al-prison/
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-fe … -in-the-us
http://www.notohomophobia.com.au/
Just the fact that the government went after them as terrorists should be your first clue that the Fed. is out of control. I remember a dude in Idaho being portrayed as a racist and a nazi when his family was shot up by the feds. You should at least try to look into the issue a little before declaring people who stand up against the government are nutters (or in your case queers). Often there are clear signs that the government is F'd up. Terrorist laws being used, seriously.
This is like when a cop kills someone and the police department floats all sorts of shit to the media that is false about the guy to sway public opinion, and the media laps that shit up and reports it every time.
Now I am not saying I know what all is up with this protest/Hammond case, but I do know the BLM has a bad record for screwing people and mismanaging land. There is no reason for the federal government to control all of the land they do in the western states. Farmers and Ranchers take care of their land because it is THEIR land. I come from a family of farmers and grew up farming. I have hunted BLM land and farmed BLM land.
If I were to guess, this is the whole story right here:
"Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplified further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years."
^^^ Some of these agencies get the biggest fucktards in authority. Husband and Wife in this case. My guess is that Chad is butthurt about the Hammonds water rights and right of access to their land going through Malheur Wildlife Refuge and Chad didn't like being spanked in court for trying to block their legal access to the water and use of the county roads. So his Bitch wife from BLM teamed up with him and the free Fed. attorney supplied by BLM via his Bitch wife's position and decided to teach them a lesson. But this is just my hunch after seeing other shit like this. I am willing to bet this is all a "Respect my Authority" issue like what you run into with certain faggot cops.
But who knows you may be right and it is all just a cover for a huge gay get-away for closeted conservative gun lovers, but if that is the case why isn't SuperJail Warden there?
http://www.oregonfb.org/2015/10/07/stat … al-prison/
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-fe … -in-the-us
http://www.notohomophobia.com.au/
Just the fact that the government went after them as terrorists should be your first clue that the Fed. is out of control. I remember a dude in Idaho being portrayed as a racist and a nazi when his family was shot up by the feds. You should at least try to look into the issue a little before declaring people who stand up against the government are nutters (or in your case queers). Often there are clear signs that the government is F'd up. Terrorist laws being used, seriously.
This is like when a cop kills someone and the police department floats all sorts of shit to the media that is false about the guy to sway public opinion, and the media laps that shit up and reports it every time.
Now I am not saying I know what all is up with this protest/Hammond case, but I do know the BLM has a bad record for screwing people and mismanaging land. There is no reason for the federal government to control all of the land they do in the western states. Farmers and Ranchers take care of their land because it is THEIR land. I come from a family of farmers and grew up farming. I have hunted BLM land and farmed BLM land.
If I were to guess, this is the whole story right here:
"Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplified further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years."
^^^ Some of these agencies get the biggest fucktards in authority. Husband and Wife in this case. My guess is that Chad is butthurt about the Hammonds water rights and right of access to their land going through Malheur Wildlife Refuge and Chad didn't like being spanked in court for trying to block their legal access to the water and use of the county roads. So his Bitch wife from BLM teamed up with him and the free Fed. attorney supplied by BLM via his Bitch wife's position and decided to teach them a lesson. But this is just my hunch after seeing other shit like this. I am willing to bet this is all a "Respect my Authority" issue like what you run into with certain faggot cops.
But who knows you may be right and it is all just a cover for a huge gay get-away for closeted conservative gun lovers, but if that is the case why isn't SuperJail Warden there?
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Did they start the fire or not?MajorSpittle wrote:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/
http://www.oregonfb.org/2015/10/07/stat … al-prison/
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-fe … -in-the-us
http://www.notohomophobia.com.au/
Just the fact that the government went after them as terrorists should be your first clue that the Fed. is out of control. I remember a dude in Idaho being portrayed as a racist and a nazi when his family was shot up by the feds. You should at least try to look into the issue a little before declaring people who stand up against the government are nutters (or in your case queers). Often there are clear signs that the government is F'd up. Terrorist laws being used, seriously.
This is like when a cop kills someone and the police department floats all sorts of shit to the media that is false about the guy to sway public opinion, and the media laps that shit up and reports it every time.
Now I am not saying I know what all is up with this protest/Hammond case, but I do know the BLM has a bad record for screwing people and mismanaging land. There is no reason for the federal government to control all of the land they do in the western states. Farmers and Ranchers take care of their land because it is THEIR land. I come from a family of farmers and grew up farming. I have hunted BLM land and farmed BLM land.
If I were to guess, this is the whole story right here:
"Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplified further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years."
^^^ Some of these agencies get the biggest fucktards in authority. Husband and Wife in this case. My guess is that Chad is butthurt about the Hammonds water rights and right of access to their land going through Malheur Wildlife Refuge and Chad didn't like being spanked in court for trying to block their legal access to the water and use of the county roads. So his Bitch wife from BLM teamed up with him and the free Fed. attorney supplied by BLM via his Bitch wife's position and decided to teach them a lesson. But this is just my hunch after seeing other shit like this. I am willing to bet this is all a "Respect my Authority" issue like what you run into with certain faggot cops.
But who knows you may be right and it is all just a cover for a huge gay get-away for closeted conservative gun lovers, but if that is the case why isn't SuperJail Warden there?
Read
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It says they set the forest on fire.MajorSpittle wrote:
Read
See, I knew you could do it. Now look at the context of the whole story and try to understand what all happened and why.
I will go lite a cig while you do this, please don't confuse me for a terrorist because of this.
I will go lite a cig while you do this, please don't confuse me for a terrorist because of this.
The trial judge gave the inappropriate sentence. There was an error in law and it was corrected upon appeal.MajorSpittle wrote:
If I were to guess, this is the whole story right here:
"Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplified further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years."
^^^ Some of these agencies get the biggest fucktards in authority. Husband and Wife in this case. My guess is that Chad is butthurt about the Hammonds water rights and right of access to their land going through Malheur Wildlife Refuge and Chad didn't like being spanked in court for trying to block their legal access to the water and use of the county roads. So his Bitch wife from BLM teamed up with him and the free Fed. attorney supplied by BLM via his Bitch wife's position and decided to teach them a lesson. But this is just my hunch after seeing other shit like this. I am willing to bet this is all a "Respect my Authority" issue like what you run into with certain faggot cops.
The evidence was enough that people intentionally started a forest fire on federal land and was no mere accident of 'throwing a lit cigarette'.
stop being thick.
You're sounding more like a socialist every day.Jay wrote:
They're the reason the Colorado River barely exists anymore.
These people don't care about big government, small government, round government or yellow government - they'll support whichever ideology suits their selfish ends.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Typical. Every 'small government' person will not hesitate to take government money and services when it is offered. FEOS, lowing, Jay, etc. I am not sure if the "small government" thing has to do more with personal shame or selfishness.
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How is that a fact?MajorSpittle wrote:
Just the fact that the government went after them as terrorists
They committed a Federal crime, twice, deliberately, tried to cover it up with lies and threats, were prosecuted and convicted by a jury. How does that square with your argument?
They appealed an obviously faulty decision - giving someone a sentence less than the mandatory minimum."Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplified further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years."
Why aren't you there if these issues are so important to you?But who knows you may be right and it is all just a cover for a huge gay get-away for closeted conservative gun lovers, but if that is the case why isn't SuperJail Warden there?
Fuck Israel
This was the law applied against them:
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(1) Whoever maliciously damages or destroys, or attempts to damage or destroy, by means of fire or an explosive, any building, vehicle, or other personal or real property in whole or in part owned or possessed by, or leased to, the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or any institution or organization receiving Federal financial assistance, shall be imprisoned for not less than 5 years and not more than 20 years, fined under this title, or both.
It has nothing to do about burning your land and the fire escaping. We burned our farm land, state leased farm land, ditches, and bordering scrub land all the time on our farm in Montana. Pretty much any farmer/rancher is now a terrorist for doing this. It was less then 200 acres of BLM land that burned, this is nothing. It barely escaped their property. BLM doesn't have the resources to take care of the vast miles of land they own and these things happen all the time.
This was selective application of the law. A jury was brought in and just like people here heard they started a forest fire. This automatically makes people think one thing, just like people on this forum. I don't think any of you know what 6000 acres is or ranching practices. Many farmers and ranchers have fires escape their property. Many farmers and ranchers are part of the local volunteer fire departments like my whole family was and most of the neighbors. Burning fire breaks and burning off land to put phosphorus back in the ground and control invasive species is a common practice and good for the land.
People hear things like the nephew testify "Although the Hammonds claimed that the fire was designed to burn off invasive species on their property, a teenage relative of theirs testified that Steven had instructed him to drop lit matches on the ground so as to “light up the whole country on fire.” And the teenager did just that." and freak out.
Well they sent a 13 year old kid out to start back fires. Most little kids would be hesitant to just "go start fires" but that was the object. Of course you tell him " don't worry about it just start dropping match and light up the whole country on fire" because you want that and not just a little fire here and there. Yes it probably sounded shocking to people who don't understand what is going on and can't put it in context. The Hammonds never hide the fact that they lit the fires because it was no big deal and is something that happens.
I don't think anyone in this thread can wrap their minds around the context of what happened. Now all the farmers and ranchers with land bordering Federal land can be convicted of terrorism pretty much so the BLM has a new way to get your land if it has water they want or oil is found in the area. This is scary shit to people it affects and rightfully so. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean you shouldn't be concerned. All Americans should be concerned. Hopefully, with the protests, a real news station can do a good educational story on what really happen to inform people because I can see from the forums here that it is easy for the government to daemonize the average joe and screw him over in full view of the public and actually gain the public's support.
Everyone should be tipped off and start thinking just by the fact that they were prosecuted as "Terrorist" and an antiTerrorism law was applied successfully.
They are not Terrorist, think people!
The original judge knew that and knew the whole thing was misjustice. 5 years for the same thing that others do all the time and has gone on for years. Now what happens when a Hunter starts a camp fire on BLM land? That is a intentional fire that burns federal property. OMG, another terrorist. This is all so stupid, BLM has burnt the same land they did but thousands of acres more. BLM has even had their fires go on private land but nobody goes to jail when that happens.
I really hope you all think and look into this some more. The comments about the protesters really shows how messed up the country is. Our government is so massive, trillions in debt and trillions spent each year, illegal wars, stepping all over state rights...... and people defend the governments actions automatically.
(f)
(1) Whoever maliciously damages or destroys, or attempts to damage or destroy, by means of fire or an explosive, any building, vehicle, or other personal or real property in whole or in part owned or possessed by, or leased to, the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or any institution or organization receiving Federal financial assistance, shall be imprisoned for not less than 5 years and not more than 20 years, fined under this title, or both.
It has nothing to do about burning your land and the fire escaping. We burned our farm land, state leased farm land, ditches, and bordering scrub land all the time on our farm in Montana. Pretty much any farmer/rancher is now a terrorist for doing this. It was less then 200 acres of BLM land that burned, this is nothing. It barely escaped their property. BLM doesn't have the resources to take care of the vast miles of land they own and these things happen all the time.
This was selective application of the law. A jury was brought in and just like people here heard they started a forest fire. This automatically makes people think one thing, just like people on this forum. I don't think any of you know what 6000 acres is or ranching practices. Many farmers and ranchers have fires escape their property. Many farmers and ranchers are part of the local volunteer fire departments like my whole family was and most of the neighbors. Burning fire breaks and burning off land to put phosphorus back in the ground and control invasive species is a common practice and good for the land.
People hear things like the nephew testify "Although the Hammonds claimed that the fire was designed to burn off invasive species on their property, a teenage relative of theirs testified that Steven had instructed him to drop lit matches on the ground so as to “light up the whole country on fire.” And the teenager did just that." and freak out.
Well they sent a 13 year old kid out to start back fires. Most little kids would be hesitant to just "go start fires" but that was the object. Of course you tell him " don't worry about it just start dropping match and light up the whole country on fire" because you want that and not just a little fire here and there. Yes it probably sounded shocking to people who don't understand what is going on and can't put it in context. The Hammonds never hide the fact that they lit the fires because it was no big deal and is something that happens.
I don't think anyone in this thread can wrap their minds around the context of what happened. Now all the farmers and ranchers with land bordering Federal land can be convicted of terrorism pretty much so the BLM has a new way to get your land if it has water they want or oil is found in the area. This is scary shit to people it affects and rightfully so. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean you shouldn't be concerned. All Americans should be concerned. Hopefully, with the protests, a real news station can do a good educational story on what really happen to inform people because I can see from the forums here that it is easy for the government to daemonize the average joe and screw him over in full view of the public and actually gain the public's support.
Everyone should be tipped off and start thinking just by the fact that they were prosecuted as "Terrorist" and an antiTerrorism law was applied successfully.
They are not Terrorist, think people!
The original judge knew that and knew the whole thing was misjustice. 5 years for the same thing that others do all the time and has gone on for years. Now what happens when a Hunter starts a camp fire on BLM land? That is a intentional fire that burns federal property. OMG, another terrorist. This is all so stupid, BLM has burnt the same land they did but thousands of acres more. BLM has even had their fires go on private land but nobody goes to jail when that happens.
I really hope you all think and look into this some more. The comments about the protesters really shows how messed up the country is. Our government is so massive, trillions in debt and trillions spent each year, illegal wars, stepping all over state rights...... and people defend the governments actions automatically.
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Do you support Occupy Wall Street camping out in Zuccotti Park? What about Black Lives Matter peacefully protesting at government events? I recall you being pretty hostile to both groups. I would be much more supportive of this if these same people more broadly opposed the government's other violations of American's rights. But otherwise this seems like selfishness and attention seeking rather than genuine propaganda by the deed.
It's weird, that first article you linked I've now read word for word on 3 different sites. I wonder what the original source is?MajorSpittle wrote:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/
http://www.oregonfb.org/2015/10/07/stat … al-prison/
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-fe … -in-the-us
http://www.notohomophobia.com.au/
Just the fact that the government went after them as terrorists should be your first clue that the Fed. is out of control. I remember a dude in Idaho being portrayed as a racist and a nazi when his family was shot up by the feds. You should at least try to look into the issue a little before declaring people who stand up against the government are nutters (or in your case queers). Often there are clear signs that the government is F'd up. Terrorist laws being used, seriously.
This is like when a cop kills someone and the police department floats all sorts of shit to the media that is false about the guy to sway public opinion, and the media laps that shit up and reports it every time.
Now I am not saying I know what all is up with this protest/Hammond case, but I do know the BLM has a bad record for screwing people and mismanaging land. There is no reason for the federal government to control all of the land they do in the western states. Farmers and Ranchers take care of their land because it is THEIR land. I come from a family of farmers and grew up farming. I have hunted BLM land and farmed BLM land.
If I were to guess, this is the whole story right here:
"Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplified further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years."
^^^ Some of these agencies get the biggest fucktards in authority. Husband and Wife in this case. My guess is that Chad is butthurt about the Hammonds water rights and right of access to their land going through Malheur Wildlife Refuge and Chad didn't like being spanked in court for trying to block their legal access to the water and use of the county roads. So his Bitch wife from BLM teamed up with him and the free Fed. attorney supplied by BLM via his Bitch wife's position and decided to teach them a lesson. But this is just my hunch after seeing other shit like this. I am willing to bet this is all a "Respect my Authority" issue like what you run into with certain faggot cops.
But who knows you may be right and it is all just a cover for a huge gay get-away for closeted conservative gun lovers, but if that is the case why isn't SuperJail Warden there?
It didn't take this incident for me to understand the Fed flexes their muscle far too much. They do, absolutely. I'm one of the biggest proponents for decentralized government on this forum. It's integral to my political worldview, and I'd like to think I've been consistent in it.
What you seem to fail to understand is that I have not gone after the Hammonds at all. Every critical sentence I have written in this thread has been directed at the dumb fucks sitting in the ranger station at the bird sanctuary (the Patriots occupying a federal compound).
I've also been a huge critic of both the creation of and application of terrorism laws against US citizens after 9/11. It's well-documented on this forum. I particularly remember a back and forth with FEOS where he took the position that these new terrorism laws would not be applied to US citizens domestically, and me offering up historical evidence of the government creating and applying laws passed under auspices of stopping foreign players against US citizens domestically.
I do not agree that the Federal government has no right to be stewards of public land. By your own logic, the native american population should be able to claim back all the land the US government and people forcefully took from them during the 18th and 19th century, because it is "their land" (your words, not mine). It's bullshit to me that the Bundys and others claim that they should be able to do whatever they want with the land because they've been there for 150 years. If it wasn't their land, and it isn't their land, they don't own it. Great that they added irrigation ditches and wells - these were built with the singular purpose of helping themselves out, not "improving the land" as some altruistic pursuit. If I were to add a wing to a hospital that I don't own, that doesn't automatically give me any right to the hospital. That's not the way our concept of property ownership works. There are obvious exceptions to this, but the fact the Hammonds or any other ranchers built "state of the art irrigation systems (in 1880? wtf?) on public land as an argument for their right to own or farm or graze on the land falls flat with me.
It's obvious some person or organization (or a mix of both) have it out for the Hammonds. However, as I mentioned, ALL my commentary has been on the stupid dumb fucks who think they are being patriots by occupying a ranger station at a bird sanctuary as a form of protest. There is a reason the Hammonds have disavowed any type of allegiance to those troglodytes - i'm guessing it is because they understand the actions those hicks are taking actually undermines their cause and paints them (the Hammonds) as nutjob right wing fundamentalists. Dissemination of the facts in this case would do far more good than trying to intimidate the federal government. Unfortunately those fucking cretins are probably the type that think everything is solved when you've got a gun on your hip.
I would also like to take this opportunity to observe you are the one to use the word "faggot" in this thread, not me. I'm perfectly comfortable with my own sexuality. I've even kissed a guy before (but I didn't like it and he tasted like lucky strikes and pabst, not cherry chapstick). Maybe you need to pack up your loin cloths and join the 'Murican patriots in Malhuer. They are probably getting tired of each others' holes by now anyway.
as an aside, #daddysworeanoath is one of the funniest memes i've seen in a while