You don't see where the issue may be in college athletes wanting to be in a trade union?Shahter wrote:
so, in a... ummm... free country people have to get approval of some kinda government agency before they can unionize, huh?
zomg, tyranny!
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says who?Adams_BJ wrote:
It's not like they are working
They are at an education institution. They aren't employed by the school. At best they are on a generous scholarship. They aren't earning money until after they leave school, or maybe tournament wins outside of their college. They don't need to be unionised and they don't deserve to be paid for playing until they get into a professional team. The scholarship is enough.Shahter wrote:
ah, so it's employer who gets to decide if they are working or not? awsm.
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says who?Adams_BJ wrote:
they don't deserve to be paid for playing until they get into a professional team. The scholarship is enough.
AdamsShahter wrote:
says who?Adams_BJ wrote:
they don't deserve to be paid for playing until they get into a professional team. The scholarship is enough.
and why must it be either-or way?pirana6 wrote:
He's right. You want to get a scholarship to play sports and get an education? Go to school. You want to get paid to play sports? Don't go to school. Join the workforce and then form a union.
Being approved to unionize means you get government protection during the process. There are laws protecting workers from being mass fired when starting off for instance. In this case, the school would have to shut down the entire program instead of being able to mass boot the players while they decide on what to do.Shahter wrote:
so, in a... ummm... free country people have to get approval of some kinda government agency before they can unionize, huh?
zomg, tyranny!
and if they think that their time and effort as athletes worth more than they are getting they should leave the school and forgo the scholarship? why can't there be middle ground?pirana6 wrote:
They are already reaping the benefits of playing (winning) for their school. It's called a scholarship.
all of them? how do you know?Adams_BJ wrote:
They are the for a shot at playing at the pros.
The college is giving them the opportunity, coaching and the facilities to be picked up by a pro team, and compensating it with a free college spot and accommodation. They aren't being employed by the university. If they make money it's through endorsements or maybe prize money. They aren't getting paid to compete, so there's no need for a union.Shahter wrote:
all of them? how do you know?Adams_BJ wrote:
They are the for a shot at playing at the pros.
and even if they are, why can't they have a say on the matter of compensation for their efforts as athletes?
are you reading the questions, dude? i got this ^, really, i understand perfectly well the way it is organized. the question is, i repeat:Adams_BJ wrote:
The college is giving them the opportunity, coaching and the facilities to be picked up by a pro team, and compensating it with a free college spot and accommodation. They aren't being employed by the university. If they make money it's through endorsements or maybe prize money. They aren't getting paid to compete, so there's no need for a union.
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BEcause they aren't being employed by the college, they are 'studying' there, but really its just to give them the best possible chance to be picked up by a pro team. It's a privilege to get a free ride and access to those world class coaching staff and facilities.Shahter wrote:
are you reading the questions, dude? i got this ^, really, i understand perfectly well the way it is organized. the question is, i repeat:Adams_BJ wrote:
The college is giving them the opportunity, coaching and the facilities to be picked up by a pro team, and compensating it with a free college spot and accommodation. They aren't being employed by the university. If they make money it's through endorsements or maybe prize money. They aren't getting paid to compete, so there's no need for a union.
why must it be that way?
why not?Adams_BJ wrote:
BEcause they aren't being employed by the collegeShahter wrote:
are you reading the questions, dude? i got this ^, really, i understand perfectly well the way it is organized. the question is, i repeat:Adams_BJ wrote:
The college is giving them the opportunity, coaching and the facilities to be picked up by a pro team, and compensating it with a free college spot and accommodation. They aren't being employed by the university. If they make money it's through endorsements or maybe prize money. They aren't getting paid to compete, so there's no need for a union.
why must it be that way?
why are you so sure that does actually give them the "best possible chance"? as far as i can tell, for most of them that's their only chance, and that usually means abuse and exploitation.they are 'studying' there, but really its just to give them the best possible chance to be picked up by a pro team.
and if they don't agree? if they want to be compensated for their efforts in other ways?It's a privilege to get a free ride and access to those world class coaching staff and facilities.
again, why not?If they were employed by the university then they probably would be unionised, but they aren't.
