BF2S Forums Where are all the whiny peaceful "Enlightened" European now?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Even if it (or something like it) came from a haywire Ukrainian counterbattery or missile interception or whatever, I feel like blame can still be squarely fixed on Russia for even being there or launching an attack where it can affect things over the border.

i mean, i agree with you, but america of all people can't really elect themselves to be world police over accidental cross-border forays. you've been regularly slipping across borders to extra-judicially kill people – to say nothing of cause famines and murder hundreds of thousands of civilians – since at least the tricky dicky/kissinger era.

china, russia, india, iran, etc, are just going to keep pointing at your drone programmes and state-sponsored assassinations (plus support of israel doing the same) ad infinitum. this poland incident does look like an unintentional accident.

it should also be pointed out for probity's sake that poland's foreign ministry is almost itching for a fight at this point. they are one of the more gung ho governments in the NATO alliance.

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If other countries formed an actual HATO organisation they'd have their work cut out responding every time America launched a cruise missile or JDAM at one of them.
But I mean obviously its OK for America to be firing sword missiles at civilians, no-one else can do it though.

Pretty sure its a lot more than one time.

That boiled down to about five rogue idiots, its not as if they were sitting on their deck inviting their friends round to watch cruise missiles being fired off.

i didn't mean to sidetrack into an obvious and preditable whataboutery discussion, like some sort of CCP-payrolled agitprop bot. but this incident does look like a genuine incident, not a premeditated attack on a NATO country, and so it seems eminently sensible to me that the US admin and other big players (yes, taking into account their lax approach to international sovereignity when it suits their own foreign policy/assassination programmes) are immediately making 'NBD' sounds about it.

very sad that people died in this. i don't have anything constructive or useful to say about that. that's seriously fucking unlucky to get smited by random junk falling out of the sky from a neighbouring warzone.

lots of people die horribly without having earned such a fate. lots of families deal with that.

there's acts of outright malice that still haven't been addressed by the international justice system. like the MH plane putin shot down (and put HIV-AIDS research back 2 generations in the process, as it was full of conference goers).

2 people getting donnie darko'd by a piece of metal fuselage is a tragedy but the western world shouldn't descend into WW3 because of it.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

It's endlessly unnerving hearing calls for escalation for that and previous reasons. Do people actually miss the cold war? I don't, and I was just a kid trying to process nuclear threat. Why should we be in a hurry to turn the Fallout franchise into reality? Does that mean Jesus comes back? Would he be proud of what humanity made of the world then?

It is not the Christian conservatives who want to fight Russia. They have mostly sided with Russia. They see Russia as a bastion of (white) Christian conservativism. They see Ukraine as an extension of the Biden/Obama/Clinton cartel or whatever.

The people in America who still support Ukraine are a big coalition with different reasons. Some are Democrats who want to punish Russia for 2016, some are people invested in the defense industry, some genuinely believe in maintaining the peace in Europe, another group have familial ties to Eastern Europe etc. None of them are hoping for nuclear war.

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Appeasement doesn't work. Feb. 4th 2022 borders should be a starting point for negotiation.

great stuff.

https://twitter.com/jemmaforte/status/1 … oGQYHQxNVQ

GBnews is the crackpot ‘new media’ network set-up with dodgy funding because the ‘MSM’ wasn’t being brexity enough for their liking. if 55% of their viewership are expressing that discontent, fair to say the project is in troubled waters.

https://twitter.com/aaronbastani/status … VgNMlg5V2g

what a funny little tribe.

they get all their talking points from the murdoch media. same recycled garbage as dilbert spouts.

the actual process of getting benefits, let alone public housing, is torturous even for a native. yeah, there's no hordes of turks coming here and signing up for a life of indolence and handouts.

ditto the rhetoric about migrants purposefully skipping on other european countries to preferentially choose the UK. the UK and italy accept the bottom-lowest numbers of refugees out of all european nations, lol. and it's really a weird sort of narcissism to believe that all the refugees 'truly' want to come to the UK as their 'top choice'. that's not even how the EU refugee laws work, lol.



it's an invasion ermehgawwwwd!

meanwhile we have actual parasites, like baroness mone, in the house of lords who have skimmed tens of millions of £'s of taxpayers money, from covid VIP lane preferential govt contracts, straight into offshore accounts for their family trusts. made-up PPE companies that never delivered a single usable item to hospitals or the public. but them bloody migrants!

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https://twitter.com/aaronbastani/status … EzIbQV0kAw

farage the City populist losing the audience on his own show. what an odious little grifter.

If its so bad why do the migrants keep coming?