SuperJail Warden
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Here is what I mean when I said the book is pretty woke. The book introduced a new character, a black teen girl. The last few pages before this are her description of what it is like being poor on the morning of the Zombie apocalypses.
https://i.imgur.com/VjQLDJw.jpg
After I uploaded the page I noticed the title of the book. "The Living Dead". All of the characters with these diverse backgrounds and persist complaints about their pre-apocalypses status in life are "The Living Dead".

BRB I have a book report to write.


But seriously, I expect somebody here to eventually make fun of the fact that I am so surpirsed and impressed by a book about Zombies but I also read David Foster Wallace essays, Murakami novels, and history books published by university presses. I've also read other Zombie novels like World War Z. This book is genuinely pretty brave for the genre, and for the franchise/author. I was expecting something more like this
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/910e8409zQL.jpg
You know something about people capping Zombies like World War Z's Battle of Yonkers chapter which was so cool.

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Dilbert_X
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A New York jury has found that drug maker Teva Pharmaceuticals and its affiliates helped fuel an opioid epidemic in the US state.

A lawsuit filed by the state's attorney general in 2019 accused Teva and other firms of aggressively marketing painkillers across the state, while doing nothing to minimise addiction.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59833156

Why do jews want non-jews to get addicted to opioids and die?

Why didn't they market these products in Israel?
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uziq
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so the pharmaceutical industry's practices and the laws on drug advertising and distribution in the US are the jews' fault, now?
Dilbert_X
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Well apparently they broke the law and will have to pay.
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SuperJail Warden
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They didn't break the Laws of Moses.
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Well apparently they broke the law and will have to pay.
yeah, the result of a lawsuit. nobody forbade their practices in the first place. they took advantage of existing frameworks. jews didn’t build the american healthcare system.

what’s equally galling is that this behaviour has been aided, abetted and officially encouraged for the last decade. where were the moral clarion calls from outraged goys 10 years ago?

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Dilbert_X
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Pretty sure people have been campaigning against this for the last 10 years.

nobody forbade their practices in the first place
Nothing Hitler did was illegal either.
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uziq
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you know you’ve made a great comparison when you mention hitler. it’s just a rule.
SuperJail Warden
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Pretty sure people have been campaigning against this for the last 10 years.

nobody forbade their practices in the first place
Nothing Hitler did was illegal either.
I couldn't care less about anything else related to this but have interesting Hitler trivia.

After Hitler passed enabling act the German legislative branch didn't meet for the duration of the war. No laws were passed through the constitutional process. All laws and edicts were dictated by Hitler or from his underlings who either tried to do what they thought he would do or did their own thing because Hitler wasn't a micromanager for anything but wars and architecture. The Holocaust? Very little evidence Hitler had anything to do with it. Literally no edicts or directives. His underlings we're just doing whatever.
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uziq
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because we don’t have much surviving paperwork about the holocaust and it’s design, doesn’t mean hitler had ‘very little to do with it’. the idea he was never briefed on anything to do with the ‘final solution’ and it was the work of over-ambitious nazis with weird perverted ideas/keen to impress hitler/possibly even misinterpreting his orders/etc. is a huge trope of neo-nazism.

you’re one degree away from saying ‘hitler did nothing wrong’. please stop.

also: a micromanager for architecture? lol wtf. one of his closest confidantes was albert speer, the chief architect and urban planner. hitler hardly micromanaged his projects. where do you get this stuff from? citations please?

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Dilbert_X
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Hitler micromanaged the battles, pretty sure he was closely involved in plans to turn Berlin into Rome

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/27/18/3396AD3500000578-3561575-Hitler_had_lived_in_Munich_just_before_World_War_I_and_remained_-a-1_1461778976380.jpg
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uziq
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yes, surprisingly, hitler was shown plans of his newly designed capital city. the idea that he 'micromanaged' speer, though, is not credible.

good job showing him looking at an urban plan, though. next you'll show me a photo of him looking at some art after they took paris and tell me he was a genius painter.

into Rome
ironically, mussolini was famously catholic about architecture. even whilst invoking the glories of imperial rome, he was certainly not trying to LARP and recreate the city like so many fanatic, fantasist neo-classical nazis were (equal parts ancient greece, it must be said, on account of the influence of 19th century german archeologists/philologists/classicists who had been digging up major sites for the first time since antiquity; greece was majorly in vogue in german intellectual life).

fascist italy had a very broad architectural aesthetic and didn't look anything like the gargantuan creations of nazi germany (nor share its penchant for rustic kitsch). where hitler banished so much modern architecture, e.g. modernism, expressionism, constructivism, etc, for being 'internationalist' in taste (i.e. jewish), mussolini green-lighted any number of extremely modern developments. the third reich's vision for berlin was extremely different from mussolini's rome.

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SuperJail Warden
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You twice decided to argue things I never said.

I am not exonerating Hitler for the Holocaust. Why would I? It is a fact that there is no decree or official order to commit the Holocaust by Hitler. All evidence of Hitler's involvement with it is through the statements of some surviving Nazis. Almost all of the survivors laid all of the blame for everything on the people who could least defend themselves: the dead. The only contemporaneous report that Hitler ordered anything is the diary of Goebbels who twice mentioned Hitler talking about destroying Judaism while the Eastern Front was going on but never made specifics about what to do or go about it. Keep in mind also that Goebbels diary was being purposefully edited, copied, and stored because he knew it would be an important historical document. The guy was still writing things to be published on the day he killed himself.

The specifics of the Holocaust were hashed out at the Wannsee Conference that Hitler and a lot of other senior Nazis didn't attend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

I never said he micromanaged Speer. I said he was intensely interested in architecture. When speaking of the conquest of Russia he was most excited to capture building material. He expected to steal tons of material like marble to build up Berlin and eventually elsewhere.


I have a copy of Speer's Inside the Third Reich.

My entire point anyway was that killing the Jews and all of the other stuff that people said "WaS lEgAl" clearly wasn't since the legislative system was nonfunctional. Compare that with the Soviet Union which even in the days of the Great Terror actually kept formal government operating.

Trump and Hitler's management style was very similar. Let your underlining do whatever while you focus on your side interest. For Trump that is social media. For Hitler is was buildings and bossing around the Wehrmacht once Case Blue had started.
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uziq
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i agree with your point, and furthermore it's obviously bunkum to compare hitler with the sacklers. that's why i gave it a one-line response.

Trump and Hitler's management style was very similar.
also agree. but historical comparisons to hitler are basically permanently tainted because so many have been made, so poorly, with such questionable intent and in such questionable taste.

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DesertFox-
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uziq wrote:

Trump and Hitler's management style was very similar.
also agree. but historical comparisons to hitler are basically permanently tainted because so many have been made, so poorly, with such questionable intent and in such questionable taste.
I did find this during his tenure in office. There's some similarities described, but big differences too.
SuperJail Warden
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DesertFox- wrote:

uziq wrote:

Trump and Hitler's management style was very similar.
also agree. but historical comparisons to hitler are basically permanently tainted because so many have been made, so poorly, with such questionable intent and in such questionable taste.
I did find this during his tenure in office. There's some similarities described, but big differences too.
Eh it was made during the war. There is only one recording of Hitler that wasn't polished for release. They basically made a study of his speeches?
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SuperJail Warden
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He had the greatest speeches and used the best words. People have been saying ever since he died "he made the best speeches". I'm not saying Hitler made great speeches but many people are saying it. They are saying it everywhere. Everybody knows. Everybody knows.
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2020/11/05/gettyimages-1229482763_wide-f943bd0aedf0387a7d120d087b269833cfc71b9b.jpg
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uziq
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

uziq wrote:


also agree. but historical comparisons to hitler are basically permanently tainted because so many have been made, so poorly, with such questionable intent and in such questionable taste.
I did find this during his tenure in office. There's some similarities described, but big differences too.
Eh it was made during the war. There is only one recording of Hitler that wasn't polished for release. They basically made a study of his speeches?
it's the OSS, aka the CIA. who knows what sort of intelligence they used for that report.

it should also be said that the use of 'psychology' back then, in its harvard-via-vienna guise, was far from scientific.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Pretty sure people have been campaigning against this for the last 10 years.

nobody forbade their practices in the first place
Nothing Hitler did was illegal either.
I couldn't care less about anything else related to this but have interesting Hitler trivia.

After Hitler passed enabling act the German legislative branch didn't meet for the duration of the war. No laws were passed through the constitutional process. All laws and edicts were dictated by Hitler or from his underlings who either tried to do what they thought he would do or did their own thing because Hitler wasn't a micromanager for anything but wars and architecture. The Holocaust? Very little evidence Hitler had anything to do with it. Literally no edicts or directives. His underlings we're just doing whatever.
It's hard to find a paper trail of anything leading directly back to hitler. The guy didn't care to read much or sign away documents. Looking at this system though you can see clearly that most important decisions were made in the upper nazi clique and were talked over with Hitler for his approval. His direct circle also had vested interest in 'showing off' their great plans and achievements, as that would help their standing versus everyone else in the circle.

Anyway, there is direct correspondence to Hitler about the einsatzgruppen. He knew what their mission was and what they ended up doing. The holocaust being a more evolved version of that initial crude idea, I reckon it's highly likely he was in the loop there and approved it.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

uziq wrote:


also agree. but historical comparisons to hitler are basically permanently tainted because so many have been made, so poorly, with such questionable intent and in such questionable taste.
I did find this during his tenure in office. There's some similarities described, but big differences too.
Eh it was made during the war. There is only one recording of Hitler that wasn't polished for release. They basically made a study of his speeches?
I was more referring to the descriptions starting around p. 150. Like Uzi said, the psychological aspect is pretty schlocky by today's standards, but it was interesting for me to read the way he was described while Trump was around.
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On the actual topic of race: what does our resident linguist think about use of language as a battleground of identity politics

touchy subjects but am interested specifically in a few topics:
- how some racial slurs have become integrated parts of everyday language while being exclusive to certain groups (notably n-word & variations in other languages)
- how use of language is put under a microscope more often, mostly about the specific words and terms we use as descriptors of others, also in the context of microaggressions etc.

I'm trying to find some clarity on how deconstructionism is hugely influential in the current wave of social-political conflict along identity lines. I think the common idea is that our trajectory is towards more equality/understanding/integration by dissecting our language and consciously debate the meanings of individual words and phrases, though is this true or even expected? Is it possibly entrenching identities & their conflicts instead because of overcomplication of everyday interactions by judging them through the hidden/implicit/ascribed meanings we find in certain terms? It seems to me that we're also painting a picture where the wrong words/phrases are perceived to be part of a hidden structural, if not almost conspiratorial, form of oppression of one group vs another.

It's kind of in the vein of the they/them thing (cleared up), but it's notable that these sorts of debates are 'hills to die on' in emancipation movements. Often legitimising mostly anecdotal experiences of perceived mistreatment of one person or one group by another, which is then retraced to identity conflict as well.

The n-word specifically is a bit seperate/sidetracked to this but an interesting case because it's simultaneously an extremely laden term, yet thrown around in music like it's a simple synonym for 'this guy/girl'. It's a bit bizarre.
uziq
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i'm not a linguist. linguistics is a completely separate discipline to literature and is much more related to logic, cognitive science, semantics, semiotics, etc.

what you're asking are political questions, in any case, and trying to deflect it onto a matter of 'expert opinions' and 'expert debate' seems disingenuous, to me. language qua social tool for communication doesn't belong to linguists; they don't have some special privileged view or ability to adjudicate on the matter.

'deconstruction' is a literary theory from the 1960s and came from structuralism and poststructuralism. i could go into this at length but what people discuss when they mention 'deconstruction' nowadays is just surface-level culture war stuff, in the same breath as 'postmodern cultural marxism' and whatever gets mentioned. it's a weird phantom construction from the polemic far-right, yoking together all sorts of stuff that has never had a particularly smooth or uncomplicated reception in american culture. the idea that there's a thing called 'french theory' or 'the frankfurt school' that has infiltrated american academia with its culturally destructive 'deconstructionist' methods is just commentary-section polemic. it would take me about 15 paragraphs to unpick the influence of 'continental' theory on anglophone academia, and, trust me, for most of its history it has been rejected and debated to hell even in the arcane and esoteric backwaters of humanities faculties.

deconstruction was a revolution in textual interpretation; as a revolutionary praxis or some sort of 'weapon' being used in culture wars, not so much. there's very little in derrida or lacan or any other abstruse french thinker from the 1960s that would make a cultural conservative lose sleep. of course, they're not actually reading them (nor the 'franklin school', evidently).

It seems to me that we're also painting a picture where the wrong words/phrases are perceived to be part of a hidden structural, if not almost conspiratorial, form of oppression of one group vs another.
this is an extremely adulterated and bowdlerized account of what deconstruction is. it's not about finding 'wrong' words/phrases at all. this sort of language policing is a feature of the 'id-pol' centre-left, or liberal-progressive, if you like, toolkit. it has very little to do with linguistics, with literary theory, or with deconstruction specifically. it's about a current in liberal thought that has grown increasingly to focus on group identity as a locus for political struggle and representation; in a similar way, the continuum of social sciences from anthropology thru sociology to psychology have had their own vogues for studies focussing on 'bodies' and, more recently, disembodied 'voices'. these are interesting ways of thinking that don't necessarily need to be pressed or plied to an explicitly political end. the stuff you're raising, again, is just liberal identity politics. it's relationships to the academic 'core' is tendentious at best.

w/r/t the 'n-word', lots of groups have coded language and their own systems of signs. lots of black people are not okay with rappers or public figures using the word; even at best, it's still a term of opprobrium or a taboo term, even if rappers do use it as part of their 'discourse'. it has clearly had its own history, for e.g. with NWA, as a shock-factor and a wake-up call to speakers of the language as a whole. this is less, again, about linguistics per se and more about how social groups regulate themselves and have limits on 'acceptable' speech. this isn't really a different phenemonon from, say, church groups taking a hard line on blaspheming language or swearing. you can say 'fuck' and 'shit' with your college friends but not on sunday when you're at service. what's the big deal?

why are you so vexed and upset that you can't drop the n-bomb, anyway?
SuperJail Warden
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Aside from the fact that nigga and nigger are different, who and how people use nigga is more complicated than "only the blacks get to use it".

Nigga isn't part of the common vocabulary of most blacks. At work and in school it isn't common. Only in the ghetto or people immersed in that cultural lifestyle use nigga regularly anyhow. And it isn't like they use it for every other world. I think in music that it isn't as common as people think. Putting nigga in your song gets your album an explicit warning. Probably not worth it when trying to game algorithms.

Secondly, plenty of non-black people use nigga just fine. If you are the token white guy in a group of close black friends, you will get a pass to say it. Hispanics and Asians who also grow up and close with blacks use it just fine among them and nobody bats an eye.
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uziq
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this is only appositely related, but i was reading a book yesterday about the representations of rural people and 'the pastoral' in literature.

most readers of literature for the history of printed matter have been an educated elite minority. so when there was a vogue, say, in the 19th century, about reading books of 'country life', it almost invariably involved a bunch of rich, well-educated, propertied, cultural elites taking great pleasure in seeing mock-imitations of rurality, of the peasant lifestyle, etc, in a highly stylized way.

a critic circa.1890 said something like "on the whole, the rural folk like to hear and be spoken to in their dialect, but don't like to see it written; the reading classes like to hear and be spoken to in proper english, but enjoy reading the dialect".

between classes (as, say, between social groups with the n-word), there's some sort of decoding and re-encoding going on, a recontextualisation, if you like. for the middle-classes rural dialects are an aesthetic phenomenon, not connected to its actual social use and root reality, i.e. in labour, struggle, miserable conditions, impoverishment, lack of education and opportunity, etc. the n-word clearly goes through a translation and is affected by the same contextual dynamics. white people using it are essentially voyeurs; and, worse, they're participating in a white-black dynamic that is tainted in all sorts of ways.

a more related thinker, here, than anything to do with headline-grabbing, dangerous-sounding 'french theorists' is surely wittgenstein and his concept of 'language games' or language communities.

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SuperJail Warden
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uziq wrote:

between classes (as, say, between social groups with the n-word), there's some sort of decoding and re-encoding going on, a recontextualisation, if you like. for the middle-classes rural dialects are an aesthetic phenomenon, not connected to its actual social use and root reality, i.e. in labour, struggle, miserable conditions, impoverishment, lack of education and opportunity, etc. the n-word clearly goes through a translation and is affected by the same contextual dynamics. white people using it are essentially voyeurs; and, worse, they're participating in a white-black dynamic that is tainted in all sorts of ways.

a more related thinker, here, than anything to do with headline-grabbing, dangerous-sounding 'french theorists' is surely wittgenstein and his concept of 'language games' or language communities.
I know you know this but for anyone who doesn't "code switching" is the term for people changing dialects, terms they use etc. when among different groups or places. Everyone does it. Often times it is automatic or subconscious. An evolutionary leap if anything.

I mentioned DFW telling off a student for using AAVE. If anyone is interested in it, you can probably find it online or comments about it online. It's interesting and he is mostly correct though it would get him canceled today. His jist was paraphrased "even black leaders wrote in white English. So if you want people to take you and your ideas seriously, write in white English". Probably is true for speaking too.
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