You know, I've never actually heard it used in a sentence. Before I look it up, I don't know if it's "latinks," "lateenks," or something like "latin-ex."RTHKI wrote:
Can they stop using latinx
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I've been tempted before to use "if you don't like it, go back to Europe" (to an even more liberal land, lol~) against conservative whites when they make overtures to the back to Africa stuff or complain about some non-conservative direction the country is taking, but I dislike that "go back to" angle (also imagine someone telling you to "go back to China" when you're like a second generation American from a Vietnamese family) too much to use it even in mockery.uziq wrote:
'blacks are free to return to their homeland'. haven't you heard of liberia? there have already been several back-to-africa movements, which, for reasons mentioned above ad infinitum, wasn't the neat fix-all solution you want it to be. 'if you don't like it, go home', says every pig-faced idiot who doesn't want to acknowledge a complex situation. u r really intelligent!
I don't really understand why that can't be used. Latinx makes it sound like a dance-off video game or something. DDR but with Mexican hits.SuperJail Warden wrote:
God gave us the word Hispanic to get around having to use gendered nouns.
the original sopranos was full of ‘lectures’ on italian-american history. did you roll your eyes and start tutting every time tony went into a church and told meadow ‘our people built this’? all that special pleading from a racial minority group, amirite?SuperJail Warden wrote:
Do you think it makes me feel nice to have to watch a lecture on black history when all I wanted to do was watch a television show about the Watchmen or a mafia movie? Do you think I like being reminded of racism when I just want to watch television?uziq wrote:
you are being dumb as fuck and obtuse. and it’s probably fed by self loathing to a certain degree. you don’t actually need me to explain it to you. sad!
OK fair but "latin-ex" is still dumb. Sounds like a toilet bowl cleaner. Can we get another word? Latino/a, fine words. Problem with gender, just drop the last letter for an imo much better substitute.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Hispanic is a nod to the Spanish colonizers of the Americas. It also can refer to people of Spanish origin, which isn't specific to people from the Americas. Latino/Latina was initially a differentiator between people from Mexico, Central, and South America vs. the broader Hispanic demographic.
Who cares!? Why are we trying to give a fuck about how people refer to themselves?
I don't recall having any issues with #MeToo in comic book movies. Children's toys? I am confused. You clear have me confused with someone else unless I just forgot about whatever it was I posted before.uziq wrote:
the original sopranos was full of ‘lectures’ on italian-american history. did you roll your eyes and start tutting every time tony went into a church and told meadow ‘our people built this’? all that special pleading from a racial minority group, amirite?SuperJail Warden wrote:
Do you think it makes me feel nice to have to watch a lecture on black history when all I wanted to do was watch a television show about the Watchmen or a mafia movie? Do you think I like being reminded of racism when I just want to watch television?uziq wrote:
you are being dumb as fuck and obtuse. and it’s probably fed by self loathing to a certain degree. you don’t actually need me to explain it to you. sad!
as i said before, if the worst thing in your life is mild annoyance at having #MeToo in your comic hero movies and BLM in your tv series, i think you’re probably doing alright. maybe leave home and stop fussing over children’s figurines and shit that doesn’t matter? love ‘from korea, no less’.
My understanding is latinx isn't so much as what people call themselves as much as a constructed "solution" word that is seen as a very USA-originated appearance of inclusiveness.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
OK fair but "latin-ex" is still dumb. Sounds like a toilet bowl cleaner. Can we get another word? Latino/a, fine words. Problem with gender, just drop the last letter for an imo much better substitute.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Hispanic is a nod to the Spanish colonizers of the Americas. It also can refer to people of Spanish origin, which isn't specific to people from the Americas. Latino/Latina was initially a differentiator between people from Mexico, Central, and South America vs. the broader Hispanic demographic.
Who cares!? Why are we trying to give a fuck about how people refer to themselves?
Womxn sounds like some creature from Mass Effect or something.
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What you really mean is there can't be anything without blacks wanting to hijack it.SuperJail Warden wrote:
The Hispanics can't have a cool thing without also including black people.
both the latin american colonies and the american colonies had clear hierarchies of racial power and division.Dilbert_X wrote:
What you really mean is there can't be anything without blacks wanting to hijack it.SuperJail Warden wrote:
The Hispanics can't have a cool thing without also including black people.
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sure, but you sound like jordan peterson talking about pronouns being 'oppressive' and 'affecting muh freedom'. who cares. these things do not matter. it costs nothing to treat someone with basic respect and to refer to them as they wished to be referred to.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
IMO stuff like mz, womxn, latinx, and the thousand experimental gender pronouns out there can still be criticized and even made fun of without the prerequisite of personal impact or undue affront. If we have the freedom to experiment with the language and shift it around here and there, we should also have the freedom to make points against some of the stuff that comes up.
Replacing letters when it sometimes doesn't even affect pronunciation, then jumping down someone's throat if they don't remember it or use it in a document, rather tiring.
Side note, if you told me in like 1988 that people in suits on TV would be saying the word "dude," I would have never believed you.
Nah, whatever happens now all we hear - from blacks and whites now - is "but how did this affect black people, how can we give blacks advantage now to make up for it"uziq wrote:
i don't know how you can accuse 'blacks' of trying to 'hijack' anything, as if they're a monolithic group and had ever coordinated such a thing. they share a plight in common – slavery – which you seem to want to blame them for, time and time again. you're a strange fellow. how does this materially affect you, seriously? you talk, time and time again, as if granting sympathy or understanding to another group of people will imperil your own family's stability and prosperity. even the rights and struggle for representation of black people in latin america apparently bothers you. why?
all of those groups have tried to seek historical redress? especially native americans and asian-americans? just because you weren't listening, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.Dilbert_X wrote:
Nah, whatever happens now all we hear - from blacks and whites now - is "but how did this affect black people, how can we give blacks advantage now to make up for it"uziq wrote:
i don't know how you can accuse 'blacks' of trying to 'hijack' anything, as if they're a monolithic group and had ever coordinated such a thing. they share a plight in common – slavery – which you seem to want to blame them for, time and time again. you're a strange fellow. how does this materially affect you, seriously? you talk, time and time again, as if granting sympathy or understanding to another group of people will imperil your own family's stability and prosperity. even the rights and struggle for representation of black people in latin america apparently bothers you. why?
Do we hear the same thing for native Americans, Chinese and Indian coolies, south Americans who were wiped out and had their nations plundered?
I think you misunderstand me. I don't think there's been single time on this forum that I said the new pronouns were *ahem* "oppressing muh freedoms." I'm in favor of people playing around with English, and people making use of new things if they want to. But that also encompasses allowing constructive criticism (not necessarily from a bigoted standpoint) of proposed changes or new styles, and pointing out when it's a rather superficial way to address a social issue (we're going to continue to treat you like yesterday's garbage in our reporting, but we altered our style guide to be more inclusive!).uziq wrote:
sure, but you sound like jordan peterson talking about pronouns being 'oppressive' and 'affecting muh freedom'. who cares. these things do not matter. it costs nothing to treat someone with basic respect and to refer to them as they wished to be referred to.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
IMO stuff like mz, womxn, latinx, and the thousand experimental gender pronouns out there can still be criticized and even made fun of without the prerequisite of personal impact or undue affront. If we have the freedom to experiment with the language and shift it around here and there, we should also have the freedom to make points against some of the stuff that comes up.
Replacing letters when it sometimes doesn't even affect pronunciation, then jumping down someone's throat if they don't remember it or use it in a document, rather tiring.
Side note, if you told me in like 1988 that people in suits on TV would be saying the word "dude," I would have never believed you.
wait until you hear about honourifics in east asian languages! 'you mean i have to refer to someone a certain way just because of their seniority?!?'
